ColourOfSpring - 1:04 pm on Aug 19, 2013 (gmt 0)
The thing is very few of those negative experiences have turned positive which leads me to believe getting out of the penguin and panda sink hole is very hard/near impossible.
From the enormous number of dropped domains / non-hosting paid / increasing number of link removal request I see in my niche directories, I can tell you that what is reported here on these forums is just the tip of an iceberg. But even more so - so many sites now doing redirects. From non-www to www, to slightly different domain name. Not that it would make a difference as you just redirect the penalty / your pages still have the on-page issues, but site owners seem to love doing this one.