bsand715 can you check if its site wide or has "rel=nofollow" m8? Itís the only thing I can think of... I mean for god sake one of these sites at number ONE/page one hasnt even spelt the area they are targeting correctly in the "description" tag that displays in the SERPS! Quality what?
I wish I could post examples of sites because no one could disagree that these sites should even be listed. I don't think just SEO is under attack at this point, good web design, coding standards and the ability to spell seems to be bad right now lol