johnhh - 1:00 am on Mar 10, 2013 (gmt 0)
Tend to disagree with TOI regarding the effect of Panda on rankings. In my experience some pages can still rank very well on page 1 even with a very heavy Panda demotion.
A bit late into the discussion as have been away. We also agree with @claaarky.
We have loads of pages on page 1 but still hit by Panda.
So what is the common element. We think it's the actual query that is being altered.
User searches for [keyword] [keyword] [keyword] Google says um no - based on our statistics you actually mean .. and adds another keyword or subtracts a keyword.
In our niche we have this confirmed from friendly-users all over the world, including Eastern Europe, Western Europe, the USA, and the Far East.
If this is true - the human testers are not actually experts in their field. For example search for [type of ] restaurant [placename] I don't expect to see a wikipedia article telling me what cuisine is sold in these restaurants, I need a list of restaurant's for that type of crusine.
Oh happy days not....