MikeNoLastName - 11:10 am on Nov 29, 2012 (gmt 0)

"What it looks like is their wonderful tools show the rankings without penalties, they are basically cloaking, showing the webmaster one thing and real visitors something else."

That's an interesting concept. Any evidence to substantiate? Ours that report weird don't have any reported issues. I've been trying to figure this out for months now as they say some of our previously best pages are, say, still #8 (was once, but hasn't been in over 6 months) and I find it hovering around 425. While many others are right smack on. I've even tried proxy surfing to do the search, searching from a machine I've never been on, etc. But nowhere near 8 under any form of search.

It COULD be, as suggested, that WMT is accidentally reporting what it's rank WOULD be without some recently added Panda/Penguin penalty which they forgot to add into the WMT progam calculation. That would be a very interesting window into the algo...