Shaddows - 3:22 pm on Nov 2, 2012 (gmt 0)
regarding "Whiners vs. Professionals"... If they know it all, why are they even reading these forums?
Many of the data-led professionals, the ones who enjoy collaboration and thrive on informed dissent, have left. Some around MayDay, others around Panda. Mostly those left are recent losers (who may or may not be whining, and who may or may not have learnt SEO from fora and ebooks) or those touting for business.
Collaborators, who by nature and convention shun extreme language and positions, are routinely cast as fanboys or drinking the Coolaid. Take the disavow tool, or the "mod pagespeed" module. In the past, there would have been two discussions- mainstream use, and "power" use (tending towards the blackhat)- in both cases, it would be about making the tools work for us, the SEO community. Now, there's no "power" discussion at all, I assume because very few do testing. The "normal" discussion is hijacked by the self-evident proposition that there must be something in it for Google. Of course there is, but that doesn't mean its not useful- or can be made useful through clever use.
Anyway, everyone can exercise their right to whine. Just as people are actively exercising their right to leave. If you don't want a community composed exclusively of whiners and touts, it might be a good idea to do a bit less of both- even if you have every right to do either.
Like others have said, I personally have no problems with "whining" - and I have even got used to hourly traffic reports. I'd rather people "info dump" than not contribute at all. I have a good handle on what's happening just by WHO is making the most noise. But I contribute less, both because there is less pay-back, and because the warm glow you get from helping people is rather spoilt when personal insults start being chucked around.