Apologies if you felt I'd been dismissive to anyone (and apologies to anyone who felt that).
I feel like I'm saying the world is round and people keep challenging that by saying well why don't we all fall off then.
I see things so clearly now that I've got my brain around the idea Google is collecting user metrics via the browser. It just changes everything and it's something that, as I think about it more, explains everything that's being discussed on this forum about Google.
I have no experience with Penguin but what I have come to realise about Panda is it's here to tell us to stop wasting time on traditional SEO stuff and focus on creating a great user experience. I think Penguin may be here to tell us to stop building links, not because Google is annoyed but because people are wasting their time and money on these things. Google wants to save you time and money - it's another difficult idea to digest considering all the pain we've all been through, but that's how I see it now. It can be fixed, people need to stop thinking of Google as the enemy.
I'm not the enemy either. I'm trying to help and I'll be very happy to try to help people if they want to explore the idea with an open mind and in a respectful manner.