Web_speed - 10:00 pm on Dec 15, 2011 (gmt 0)

The Yahoo! Toolbar and Ask Toolbar are other toolbars that have made their way into a number of application installers that I've experienced, and they're all selected by default

The others are not bundled with nearly as much popular/essential applications like the macromedia player OR take control of computers and browsers the way the spybar does....

Once again... luck of experience buddy!

my "bizarre beliefs" are a sad fact of life we webmasters later have to deal with...