Look at these forums lately and you have your answer. A bunch of experts running around like chickens with their heads cut off says to me yeah, SEO has no meaning. SEO services? You kidding me? Sure, you have the answers to Panda. SEO now is more about how to moving on, changing goals, changing outlooks, changing revenue forecasts. It's certainly not about smart page titles or trying to use SEO to clearly explain what your site and pages is about. SEO regarding Google is more about planning for drying up organic traffic. The end of SEO services? If you can't find the hole in a leaking boat, guess what? If you can't bring the traffic then obviously it's not SEO services. Perhaps SEO is now brand building. Hope you brought your cheque book with you. SEO was the patch to a leaky boat. I don't see a patch regarding Google SEO today. Panda knows you better than you know yourself. Why SEO when they can figure out what you are better than you can explain it via page titles, descriptions, etc? SEO was about waving a flag to Google saying this is what I'm about. Wave it all you want. Shake it in their face. Guess what? It's not about you anymore. It's about those "other guys" now for which you cannot compete in a lot of niches.