walkman - 7:08 pm on Jun 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

Ok, we need to tone it down, we're getting too emotional :)

The market doesn't believe this. The shares are still falling.

Google stock is going down not because of Panda, but because they need to spend more money to make money and people see that search has matured in USA and EU. Walmart for example has a lot of revenue but their margins are slim for obvious reason. Google was valued at $200+ billion because they made a lot of money with relatively little effort /expenses. That's now changing and the stock will reflect that.

But, no I don't think search team is sitting down and calculating what sites to take down to make Google to make more. On the other hand I don't believe that they are Rambos, working alone with no interference.
In meetings they probably are given guidelines and suggestions about certain types of sites.

There is nothing it for Google, nor those of us who are not "tricky" if they bow to pressure and listen to the wailing..not all of which is innocent by any means. And yes there are some "innocent bystander" sites, but some of the most vocal here and elsewhere,in the "G got it wrong, and G is killing, me and why doesn't G let me back up" are some of the least "innocent".

I mostly agree with you Leo, most of the sites hit by Panda deserved it and quite a few owners whine for no reason (they know who they are) and others take credit for beating Panda for no reason (they know who they are.) The adage that they guilty scream loudest is somewhat true, but a lot of times it's not. A guilty one usually cries first and then "f$%/ they caught me and aren't buying it." But that's another topic and this isn't as cut and dry as a crime.

Page has around 200 words ..very tight on page SEO..one inbound link from another site I have ( aged since around Y2K ) but whose subject is not connected ( I just use it as a "boost" ) ..I have no idea if anyone else has linked to it as the backlinks commands are unreliable and have been so for years now ... This is a "money terms"..site

I think the strategy for post-Panda should be like yours, in addition to a major site /s. one should do 200 or so word SEO-ed and pretty mych Made For Google 'sites' that target specific money terms. Link them from your existing one and see if they rank. If they rank, great, if they don't it makes no sense to complain given the amount of time spent. You just try with another money term.

I have two such sites, the hours involved were probably a week since it involved more than 200 words and they provide what the users want and what the title says, but if Google tomorrow demotes them, I could understand why and I got my money for the hours worked long time ago. Yet post-Panda traffic has skyrocketed and so have earnings, I just take the money though, not credit for their success :)

There alone I use adwords, and one block at the bottom of the content. On my 10+ year old pandalized site I don't have adwords, and I don't make a penny unless users find what they are looking for.
I have a very limited number of pages and two people work on it every day. No site will ever be perfect but after Panda it has become a lot better for users and for the spiders, and new changes are coming hopefully next week. Having seen quite a few of my competitors improve their rankings, I can see that quite a few did not deserve it.

I'm objective enough to see what site is much better than mine, like mine or worst. Of course they are pages that are better or worse within each site and we're talking about major traffic downgrade. I've had plenty 10% or even 30% ups and downs last year for example.

Now, has Google run the full Panda since Feb 24th or will it be run on Panda 2.2? I think it's answered by Matt clearly.
Google and every search engine tells you that if you do a good site or improve it a lot it should rank well. Their whole mission is to rank well good sites. Matt said that if you did exactly what Google told you, the site COULD rank better with this Panda 2.2 update.
If Panda is not a penalty, and if the site is done exactly as Google wants it, Google sees and indexes it, why isn't it a "should" improve? Of course relative to other sites. Time will tell this.

Anyway, peace and love.
Yes I see several keywords moving up and down but they aren't enough to statistically see a difference page wise and total traffic is still at the same level.

We all should agree that after google should be a bit more open, after telling people to remove 'bad' pages and do this and that to see your pages improve in rank.

What Tedster said about others taking the place is true, but Google can probably penalize 50% of the web and most people would miss it after a few days, as long as sites like Amazon, 1-800Flowers, Sears and the likes are still in.