SEOPTI: Yeah they are cruel. They smacked my $13K exact match domain with -50 and it is still in da box. It was an affiliate redirect issue for sure so I fixed it and filed reconsideration. They did respond saying "you still violate our quality guidelines". So, hmmm If I do, it is because of backlinks then. Cutts said that manual penalties are like "time outs" And I think the maximum duration is 365 days. So, the domain should be back soon. Anyway, my point is that you gotta be careful with backlinks and interlinking strategies, especially for web1 and especially for purchased or new domains and exact match domains. But then the question is "how to be carefull". And it is a big one that I know some about but do not know even more about. In my view, while many people here consider mainly on-site variables for their Panda slaps, I believe the off-site issues are as likely. I am closely following one of my competitiors and he knows what he's doing for sure. So, recently he has added twitter "tweet" and facebook "like" buttons. Oh my its too long a post already. Thanks for your time!