leedslad73, I did exactly as you describe. A week ago I uploaded my new site. No SEO work, no external linking, just a couple of one way links from other sites. Next day Google picked up almost all my pages (several hundred) and now many of them rank first page, some even no.1 and some even for mildly competitive terms (more than a million results). What i made sure is that I designed the site thinking only of the visitors and not the search engines. It worked! At least for now. It's too early to order that new car I had my eyes on, but certainly I am in very much doubt now as to the sandbox theory. I think sites that make their deput to the web aggressively are more likely to have the sandbox experience. Also, maybe the value of incoming links is not so very important for new sites. It is unnatural both for search engines and for human that a new site would have a bunch of other sites linking to it right from the very first day of its web presence.