chyio, i generally agree that google is an informational type search engine used for research mainly i think. it has been dead in my commerical field for over a year and it appears that other commerical areas are getting hammered now as well. i simply found other ways to market my site as i believe others here will do once they get over the shock. the thing is though, if google continues to rank sites exclusively with machines ( puters ), as the web grows wont the same thing happen to informational type sites eventually? it seems to me that google has a design flaw by ranking sites with puters ONLY.