renee - 3:28 pm on Oct 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>"no one has ever gotten out of this thing. ....but those cases are rare."

I believe my explanation answers these questions. since this thing is due to an out-of capacity problem in google's main index, the only way new sites can get in will be if some old sites are remove. and since google cannot remove too many of these too fast, then you see why there are new sites that get in and very few.

i also thing google randomly selects which sites get out of the main index and randomly selects which new sites get into the main index. this explains while some sites get in in a few months and others take much longer.

by saying it a site gets into the main index means it now has the potential of ranking in the serps (to answer those who say it is a ranking issue, not an indexing issue).

claus, thanks for regurgitating so elegantly the ideas i've posted earlier. good job.