isitreal - 5:10 pm on Aug 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

that's right if you're a scientist, not for normal english though, so it's whichever one prefers, standard or scientific def, no argument.

Your main point is right though, but solid conclusions cannot in general be reached in the absence of actual data, whether keywords or urls, many questions could be resolved very quickly given the quality of some of the posters here if actual data could be used.

There's also the problem that some posters simply don't want to use empirical methods, for whatever reasons, I've seen this a few times where one says something that is easy to test, and empirically verifiable, that offends a belief or fondness for a company/site, but which is still objectively true, and people jump all over it until you conclusively demonstrate the truth of the claim, rather than testing it themselves first then responding. But I guess that's part of the game here.