ok, now imagine a real world where old forums, large directories and sites that offer to compare prices for you replace sites with content and that have been around for years with good links. Actually both your examples and mine are both true. The point being its pot luck what kind of serps you get on a particualr search. It is simply not true to suggest that you are safe if you have good links, been around for years and have good unique content because these sites for many have gone. Thats a fact. They have been replaced by crap. To suggest there is a way to build a site and be immune from the random exiles being handed out by Google is simply not true.