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WebGuerrilla - 12:38 am on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)
In that thread, he compiled a list of all of GoogleGuy’s recent comments concerning update Dominic. The excerpts were a big help for many of our members. However, the following discussion quickly ended up much like the various threads that albert originally had to dig through in order to compile his list. Trying to wade through all the various update threads has clearly caused some frustration [webmasterworld.com] for many of our members. So in order to try and alleviate some of that frustration, I thought we might try a new version of albert’s original post. This version includes all of albert’s original excerpts. It will also be updated periodically. However, we are going to keep this thread “read only.” Anyone interested in following GoogleGuy’s contributions to the current update discussions can bookmark or flag this thread. If/when we post updates, this thread will appear on the active list. If you have any questions or comments relating to anything in this thread, I would greatly appreciate it if you post them in one of our current update threads. Update Dominic – Part 9 [webmasterworld.com] Or Serious Google update analysis thread [webmasterworld.com] WG SJ started testing a new index with a sightly different build of backlinks. SJ results will show up at other data centers soon Test of new method with a known base of backlinks, bringing in more up-to-date backlink and spam info later on SJ index is not old About backlinks from forums About guestbook links Backlinks and spam snapshots will be added later SJ data will show up at other data centers first, new data / filters after that Less Backlinks for all sites SJ results will show up at other data centers Nothing new. A few more backlinks were added It was only a minor update (so far) sj/fi index will shift to other data centers. After more backlinks and other data sj/fi data centers have been approved More pages and backlinks to be added Help spread the word ... SJ and/or FI - and other data centers SJ and FI similar, but emphasizing different things like topicality - same with different data centers Hope that helps, Different nature of SJ and FI is expected to spread to more data centers Measuring the size/usefulness of an index Timeframe to bring in backlinks - and: should we watch sj/fi
Earlier this week, albert [webmasterworld.com] started a thread called “Understanding Dominc [webmasterworld.com].”
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GoogleGuy msg #44 May 5
rfgdxm1, every index has to pass a really stringent battery of tests before it becomes visible. SEOs might notice a slightly different build of backlinks, but things like that could be balanced by factors that improve search quality more in other areas. The other thing to bear in mind is that it's easy to re-sync something like backlinks or spam snapshots once you're convinced that an algorithm or method is an improvement.
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GoogleGuy msg #107 May 5
Critter, it wouldn't surprise me to see SJ results start to show up at other data centers soon.
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GoogleGuy msg #134 May 5
Traveler, good question. From the first few posts of that 500+ thread, several people mentioned that they have some very new results in SJ. It's natural that we would test new methods by using a known base of backlinks, but that shouldn't be discouraging to people--backlinks are the sort of data that Google could bring back in over a relatively short time frame. And the same thing goes for known snapshots of spam--that can be brought in fairly quickly as well. SEOs notice whether a backlink comes from two months ago or one month ago, but typical users would care more about fresher pages.
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GoogleGuy msg #146 May 5
Critter, the SJ index isn't an older index. You can verify that by doing a topical query such as SARS. The results are more fresh in SJ than they are in our regular index.
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GoogleGuy msg #160 May 5
Critter, if it's the site listed in your profile, it looks like you only have 5-6 domains that link to your site. A few of those are forum links that might not have made it into the base of backlinks. Getting links from places like the Open Directory Project would help, for example.
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GoogleGuy msg 165 May 5
Much more likely that those guestbook links just aren't given weight now, rfgdxm1.
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GoogleGuy msg 178 May 5
mcavic, I think I did say that newer backlinks and spam snapshots would be pending to be applied over time. Or at least I tried to. :)
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GoogleGuy msg #298 May 5
albert, what you said, except I wouldn't be surprised to see SJ show up at other data centers first, and then to start applying the newer data/filters after that.
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GoogleGuy msg #108 May 6
[i]Don't be alarmed if the number of reported backlinks goes down. That's actually to be expected in the update. Most of it affects all sites uniformly, so it comes out in the wash as being equal. The better way to measure it is how your rankings/traffic change.
GoogleGuy msg #43 May 6
What rfgdxm1 said. I think you'll see SJ results appear at more data centers over time.
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GoogleGuy msg #11 May 8
I'm still hanging around. There's not that much new info to convey, but I'm here.
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GoogleGuy msg #197 May 10
I think we added a few more backlinks in yesterday. I'm assuming people have read HitProf's thread on backlinks too? rfgdxm1, sorry to hear that you don't like the SJ index. I also checked your ingredient theory in your spam report. People had suggested that a long time ago at the GooglePlex, but that's not the primary addition for SJ.
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GoogleGuy msg 203 May 10
Twas a minor update in backlinks, MyWifeSays. I still expect SJ results to be seen at more data centers first.
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GoogleGuy msg #52 May 14
webdev, I think almost all of these questions have been answered several hundred threads ago. As late as this morning, I posted saying that I expected sj/fi index data to make its way to other data centers and to various sites. Once that data appears more broadly, we'll gradually be pulling in more backlinks and applying other data.
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GoogleGuy msg #59 May 14
steve128, the sj/fi data centers have been tested and approved. What I said several hundred posts ago was that you can expect an index like that to show up at more (and possibly all) data centers in the future.
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GoogleGuy msg #73 May 14
Ltribe, I expect more pages and backlinks to be brought in with time.
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GoogleGuy msg#86 May 14
Maybe I'll just set things up to auto-post every 50 posts or so. :)
Please help spread the word so people know what to expect and don't worry too much.
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GoogleGuy msg #377 May 14
I wouldn't draw huge distinctions between sj and fi. When I say "I expect the sj index to spread to other data centers," that could be sj or fi.
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Google Guy in this thread msg #16 May 14
There's a lot of backlinks on the web. :) It will take some time to bring them all in. To clarify a couple things:
- it helps to think of sj and fi as similar. It's better conceptually to think of them as cut from the same cloth.
- chiyo, every data center has different machine characteristics. So similar/identical indices might look slightly different at different data centers. This goes back to the point above. Don't think of it as if we build a different index with a different theme for different customers. Our partners get the same scoring/data that we use. That said, the global index that we build can emphasize different things more, such as topicality or more diverse file types.
So sj/fi are different in several ways. I would expect that difference to spread to other data centers. Then things will resume moving forward.
GoogleGuy
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Google Guy in this thread msg #28 May 14
trillianjedi, I'm saying that sj and fi are of a different nature than previous indices, and that I expect that different nature to spread to more data centers (ex, anyone? :)
I've been using "sj" to denote this different nature, but I appreciate the chance to clarify.
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GoogleGuy msg 4 May 14
There are lots of different ways to measure the size/usefulness of an index. Nice job to Allergic for noticing something that most people usually don't. :)
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GoogleGuy msg 43 May 14
x_m, you could always do that yourself by just not querying sj/fi. :)
trillianjedi, just to clarify on the other point, I mentioned that backlinks could be brought in on a relatively short timeframe, but remember that we are talking about terabytes of data here--the web is a big chunk of data. I think I also replied to someone else at one point that bringing in those backlinks wasn't the sort of thing that could happen in a day or two. Hope that sheds more light on things