Napoleon - 8:51 pm on Apr 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

I think Xoc has hit a moot point... what exactly is the loss in manual submission, if the spam penalty is removed as soon as the spider finds you via a link?

Surely better to be in there and badly ranked in this interim period, than not there at all, given that ranking will improve when a link to you is followed.

Or is there any evidence that the spam penalty (or part of it) remains in place after the linked visit? Any ideas or clues?