On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:59:30 -0600, (Brett Tabke) wrote: > >> Wanted: opera to request "operafav.ico" from the host when an Opera
This is from another venue. I thought it an interesting conversation to share.
> "Robin Lionheart" wrote:
> > "Brett Tabke" wrote:
> >> bookmark is set and display next to it's entry in the hotlist.
>>What would be the point of not using Internet Explorer's favicon.ico?
It's about promotion. Opera is getting screwed in log files because many analyzers id Opera as IE. If you were to use Operafav.ico, it would put an error in their logs. That gets there attention.
"I have opera users? I never knew I had Opera users. Not only do I have opera users, they are regulars who are bookmarking my site. You bet I will write nonproprietary code that will work in all browsers".
Right now, Opera isn't on the radar screen of webmasters when they write code. There is little incentive for them to do anything but go nuts with proprietary (read: mshtml) code.
This little feature would go a long, long way to promoting Opera with the people we need to promote it with - the people who write the sites!
Now that nn6 is being considered doa by most authors, there is now open talk in most webmaster groups about completely ignoring everything but IE. That was sacreligious six months ago. It isn't about standards, code, or a few miniscule bytes for the icon, it is about survival for Opera.
On some fronts, Opera Software and the product has never looked better. Got the linux port going strong, mac version sounds like it is in the pipeline, got v5 stable and usable under winders, got all the bells and whistles in, and it isn't too far from fully meeting html/css standards. In a nutshell, OS has done and continues to do their part.
While on the other front, NN continues to lose even more market share, and webmasters/site authors are openly talking about forsaking that 10-15% that don't use IE.
The kicker is that IE6 will be out this fall, and who knows how far Microsoft is going to push their extensions this time? I expect RADICAL changes in IE6's language, and command support. I would not be surprised to see them add proprietary extensions to EVERY html, css, and java script entity there is.
We've seen the Embrace phase (ie 3) - we've seen the Extend phase (ie4-5.5) - all that is left is the Extinguish phase.
The new administration is going to back off the anti-trust case (pull a hamstring), and let ms off the hook. When that happens, MS is going to have a serious attitude. Where does the 800lb gorilla set? Anywhere it wants too. And it wants the .net
We need something NOW to put Opera on the minds of webmasters before we wake up six months down the road and find half the net being written with Frontpage. At that point, all Opera will be able to do is to try to write an IE clone.
>>> It would put opera on the mind of webmasters.
>> If that's your real goal, there's a better way to put Opera on the minds of
>> webmasters everywhere you visit, not just the few whose sites you bookmark.
> Go into Preferences ¦ Connections and set the "Browser identification"
> option to "Identify as Opera". Let the web servers' browser statistics show
> hits with Opera/5.0 for every page you view.
Sure I do, and I salute the sentiment Robin, I wish more Opera users would do that. The trouble is the mass majority of Opera users don't appear to be doing that. Opera even defaults to IE now and the newer users don't have a clue about such things.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:59:30 -0600, (Brett Tabke) wrote:
> >> Wanted: opera to request "operafav.ico" from the host when an Opera