rudy - 1:56 am on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

JayC,

"A site with no links to it at all, as Google themselves say on their own site, wouldn't be in the index at all. If it did happen, presumably its PR would be zero. "

Ok, so the index page of this site
that is in the google now that has PR5 and no backlinks, this index page has links to it from many other pages within the same site that also have a high pagerank themselves.

Ok. So does this mean that the index page of this site has built it's PR of 5 by merely referals from other pages within it's own site. Is it possible to do this?

"But really I agree with dstanovic; focusing too much on building PR to the neglect of just getting good links .."

I though good links ment links from high PR pages of sites. Do you mean not sharing a PR page with to many other links on the page?

I'm getting the impression your telling me you can still get a high ranking on google while still having a low PR. I have not found this.
All high ranking search sites had at least a PR 4

Fathom,

"A page with no back links has no real PR. What you may be seeing (in the google tool bar) (showing half green for PR5) is only a guessament!"

A guessament?. You lost me. This guess is ranking the index page #1 for my keywords of a competitor site.

dstanovic,
"he PR assigned is just a estimated figure from google on new sites such as mine."

How is this estimate establishes on new sites. I guess internal links and tarketed keywords in anchors, text, <title> etc....?

So if I get a new site listed on google with no inbound links with a PR 5, would it be fair to say that my ranking on google will be roughly the same as another site that also has a PR 5 but a few inbound links(which I have none of)?

I found it very difficult to find pages of sites that will link to me with a PR of 4 or 5 and those that do require a link back. I don't like the idea of outbound links because I could lose my clients to often. Of course, if this is the only way , this is still better than what I have going now. PR0 and PR2.

So the next best thing I see that may be a reality is 2 dozen or so pages of sites that link to me with each page having a PR of 3. I presume if I have enough of these it could raise my PR to 4 or 5 no?

"Always keep links on topic, don't ask for links that have nothing to do with your site's topics. "

Do you mean titles and descriptions when submitting a link? Please explain.