My own IP is usually in the middle of a range that I have blocked from several sites (locking myself out more than once and needing to ftp an edit) sometimes, but it jumps all over (I'm on ADSL) from being thisclose to PEAK in a 67 class A to being sandwiched in between HSI and INTERSERVER in a 173 class A range and sometimes on 192. gah! If a higher class of service was available to me I'd be on it. I had hughes dish for several years but their limits are incredibly low even with premium service. That's why I had questions about reliably blocking individual IPs. Your answers are helpful, thanks!