mivox - 8:52 pm on Jul 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

These sites are all small and $5,000 for just the logo would break them.

Exactly. There are different markets out there... for a large, well-funded business' logo, $400 is too low. But the small business market needs design work too, and $5000 is entirely out of the water for most of them.

I include revisions for <$1000 design jobs, because having my customers happy is important to me, and I'm not psychic enough to hit the mark on the first try 100% of the time.