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Microsoft Wants Speed Advantage With Open Source PHP
smells so good




msg:3142038
 10:08 am on Nov 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

What do you call better than duct-tape?

Microsoft has been working with Zend to get Zend's PHP open-source scripting language to run faster on its Web server. Windows Information Server has been Microsft's prime platform for its own high-performance language, Active Server Pages. But with Web sites frequently including non-Microsoft technologies, Windows Information Server was handicapped when developers were working with PHP.

"Zend will optimize PHP for Windows operation," says Andi Gutmans, Zend co-founder and VP of technology.

Story [informationweek.com] from InformationWeek

Comments?

 

jatar_k




msg:3142475
 5:51 pm on Nov 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

I thought this was interesting

>> Facebook, Flickr, and Yahoo are all heavy PHP users, he noted. [b]"Seventy-five percent of Web 2.0 sites are powered by PHP,"]/b] he claims.

this is a very important development for PHP, nice find smells so good

mcavic




msg:3142519
 6:27 pm on Nov 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sounds good. I don't see any threat to Linux here, but I'd be very happy if people were able to start moving from ASP to PHP.

Namaste




msg:3142568
 6:54 pm on Nov 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

I used to be on ASP, it was fast...then came ASPX, it was slower...not just me, I noticed all of MS' own sites are pretty slow.

But the I used Orkut in ASPX and its blazing fast.

I use PHP on linux mostly now, its pretty fast.

panic




msg:3142572
 6:58 pm on Nov 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

That's good for us PHP developers.

If any of you have ever tried running PHP on IIS, you know how painful/slow it is.

RWSteele




msg:3142590
 7:06 pm on Nov 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmmmm....their idea of "Embrace, Extend and Extinguish"? Is this the embrace or extend before the grande finale?

Keep your enemies closer. :)

Bluesplinter




msg:3142641
 7:40 pm on Nov 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yep, I've seen this first hand.

I had IIS serving up PHP forum pages on my W2K3 box, and I was never really happy with the speed, so I installed Apache on the same box. Simply switching to Apache doubled my forum page build speed. Same Mysql install, same PHP install, same forum software install... the only thing different was switching from IIS to Apache.

And the box is much more stable now, too. Apache and PHP play very well together, so I just keep the IIS/ASPX/CFM sites together in one corner, and the Apache/PHP sites together in another corner, and all is well :) IIS is great with Win-centric technologies, but the IIS/PHP interaction is currently lacking. Glad to see they're gonna try to address it, and I wish them success.

bcolflesh




msg:3142642
 7:43 pm on Nov 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

That's good news - Oracle has made some headway with PHP support in the last 2 years as well - everyone sees the writing on the wall by now.

StupidScript




msg:3142775
 9:35 pm on Nov 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm kinda with RWSteele ...

Microsoft has formed a technical partnership with Zend Technologies to optimize its open source scripting language, PHP, to work better with Windows Information Server.

In a different world, that subhead might have read:

Microsoft has formed a technical partnership with Zend Technologies to optimize its Windows Information Server to work better with Zend's open source scripting language, PHP.

It feels like this non-existent headline:

Ford has formed a technical partnership with Chevron and BP to optimize their gasoline to work better with Ford cars and trucks.

What price will this "optimization" exact from non-IIS users? And now we'll have TWO versions of PHP to deal with; Windows and non-Windows. I can't imagine this will all be handled by an API addition/modification ... MS is well-known for its "extensions".

[edited by: StupidScript at 9:46 pm (utc) on Nov. 1, 2006]

StupidScript




msg:3142785
 9:41 pm on Nov 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

And I simply despise statistical analyses that lead to statements like this one, regarding IIS increase from "the low 20s to 31.4%" of the server market (compared against Apache):

Netcraft says Information Server's rise reflects Microsoft's heavy investment in free blogging services at Windows Live Spaces, which added 1.3 million users in September, compared to 459,000 at Google Blogger, Google's free service.

So ... MS adds a bunch of its own servers to handle the increase in bloggers on its own sites ... and that skews the data? Blecch. Junk data. MS could simply roll out a few thousand more servers to handle its own traffic any time it wants some "good news" to report!

[edited by: StupidScript at 9:43 pm (utc) on Nov. 1, 2006]

xalex




msg:3142875
 11:14 pm on Nov 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Funny. I haven't seen too many Msft blog users. Either Google is not playing nice or Msft is lying.

StupidScript




msg:3142932
 12:08 am on Nov 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Maybe every Windows user automatically got a blog as part of an Automatic Update ... it's working for IE7's market share ...

rj87uk




msg:3143552
 12:57 pm on Nov 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Get a free blog" on googles home page would catch a few extra thousand bloggers I would think even if it is only for a month.

coopster




msg:3143750
 4:16 pm on Nov 2, 2006 (gmt 0)


More often than not, sites relying on PHP turned to the open source Apache Web server and Linux rather than Microsoft's Windows Information Server and the Windows operating system because of the performance advantage.

Microsoft and Zend Technologies have agreed to erase that advantage.

I don't think they will be successful in erasing that advantage. Optimizing PHP for Windows is only half the battle, and Zend is going to work on that. I would love to see the same focus on optimizing Apache for Windows. Another big blue company had their own HTTP server early on, and quickly adapted Apache as an alternative to it's own HTTP server and tweaked the OS to optimal performance. I would love to see MS follow suit, albeit years later and way behind the competition. Still, this is great news and I'm happy to see the partnership in regards to PHP. Progress.

markbaa




msg:3148201
 2:23 am on Nov 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Until you can do .htaccess style friendly URLs using PHP on IIS, I'll stick to apache. I love wordpress and my main webserver is IIS, but I only use wordpress on IIS for non-critical stuff due to the ugly URLs.

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