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Opera 11 Released
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msg:4243167
 4:04 pm on Dec 16, 2010 (gmt 0)

Opera 11 Released [opera.com]
Opera Software debuted the newest version of its award-winning browser today. Opera 11 combines elegant design, smart updates to some of our most popular features and new ways to customize Opera to your preferences.

 

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msg:4243175
 4:14 pm on Dec 16, 2010 (gmt 0)


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bill




msg:4243419
 1:44 am on Dec 17, 2010 (gmt 0)

I've been running the beta since it was released. I generally like O11 but there are a few quirks I'm not sure how to get rid of or that I would like improved further.

  • I want to see the full URL in the address bar. Why Opera thinks shortening that is helpful I'll never know.
  • If I set it to allow plug-ins only on demand I would like to be able to specify sites where I can allow plug-ins. I need a white-list of some sort.
  • Extensions are still a bit clunky in spots. I hope they work on improving the functionality so that Opera extensions can be as smooth as those on FireFox and Chrome
  • And stop messing with mouse gestures! Is there any way to get them to work the way they used to?
  • tedster




    msg:4243440
     3:05 am on Dec 17, 2010 (gmt 0)

    Those comments are enough to keep me from upgrading. Shortening the URL? Can you still do a complete copy/paste?

    bill




    msg:4243456
     5:07 am on Dec 17, 2010 (gmt 0)

    When you highlight the URL it all becomes visible. You can copy and paste the full URL. It's just shortened until you highlight it.

    bill




    msg:4243476
     7:31 am on Dec 17, 2010 (gmt 0)

    I figured it out.

    Uncheck this setting:
    opera:config#UserPrefs|HideURLParameter

    or from the Menu:
    Preferences|Advanced|Browsing| Show full web address in address field
    tedster




    msg:4244208
     5:57 pm on Dec 19, 2010 (gmt 0)

    Thanks for that, Bill. I wasn't willing to upgrade until I knew how to deal with that URL issue. The default setting would have made my work slower, not faster.

    So now I have upgraded and so far Opera 11 seems even faster and better in several ways. I'lltry out some extensions soon.

    pkaster




    msg:4244255
     9:37 pm on Dec 19, 2010 (gmt 0)

    @bill

    I want to see the full URL in the address bar. Why Opera thinks shortening that is helpful I'll never know.

    I guess Opera wants to be more than just a browser for computer experts. The change isn't aimed at you, and you will be able to figure out how to change it back anyway.

    I don't understand why computer experts complain about changes that benefit the vast majority of users. Opera will continue to be a niche browser if it isn't changed to address the needs of the many non-experts out there.

    mattglet




    msg:4244463
     4:42 pm on Dec 20, 2010 (gmt 0)

    bill-

    What are your issues with Mouse Gestures?

    bill




    msg:4244697
     2:29 am on Dec 21, 2010 (gmt 0)

    What are your issues with Mouse Gestures?

    I have used Opera mouse gestures for as long as they've been available (Wikipedia says April 2001 with Opera 5.10). That's a lot of years of muscle memory. These new visual mouse gestures make me wait on each mouse movement for that big graphic to show up. This slows me down tremendously. Also, the gestures seem to be much less tolerant of sloppy or angled gestures that used to work just fine for me. I've actually switched over to Chrome for a lot of my daily work because they don't put training wheels on their mouse gestures.

    mattglet




    msg:4245000
     8:14 pm on Dec 21, 2010 (gmt 0)

    Menu --> Settings --> Preferences --> Advanced tab --> Shortcuts side menu --> 3rd check box: "Enable visual hints"

    Does that help? As for the accuracy issues... you might be on to something there, but I haven't taken the time to do anything scientific.

    bill




    msg:4245070
     2:58 am on Dec 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

    Thanks. That does get rid of the graphic. I'm not sure if that has sped up the recognition of my mouse gestures. They still seem slower than before and I find myself repeating them. Sometimes I'm not sure if I'm too fast with my gestures or I haven't made my gesture perpendicular or horizontal enough to be recognized.

    tedster




    msg:4245302
     6:49 pm on Dec 22, 2010 (gmt 0)

    I'm seeing some added latency with local files - especially reloading pages after I change the source code. It's not awful, but it is disconcerting at times. I'm used to instant gratification ;)

    VuoriLiikaluoma




    msg:4246627
     11:45 am on Dec 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

    @bill:
    About the full url thing, you could just have right-clicked the block that hides the url and select "Show Full Web Address".

    As for mouse gestures, I've been using them for awhile and didn't even notice the new graphics until I read this post. I guess I was just to fast for it. Haven't had any problems with being to fast either.

    Brett_Tabke




    msg:4247579
     6:29 pm on Dec 30, 2010 (gmt 0)

    > accuracy

    Yep - it is certainly much worse in 11.

    You can tweak "Gesture Threshold" in opera:config. I dunno if it makes much difference though. However, it does not fix the broken "open link in background". They really took a good feature and made it worse for everyone that actually used it regularly. Mouse gestures was a great feature.

    tedster




    msg:4247680
     10:03 pm on Dec 30, 2010 (gmt 0)

    One change in the GUI has made Opera less friendly for me. It's in the "Mail" panel which Ionly use for the RSS Feed. The new GUI no longer has a feature that allows you to scroll through all the new feeds in the preview pane.

    That was a very useful thing, but now all I can do is toggle the feeds accordian style. I have to go through them one by one to deal with them - and that often means lost time and a lot more clicks.

    mattglet




    msg:4250399
     6:20 pm on Jan 7, 2011 (gmt 0)

    Looks like Opera is starting to address the Mouse Gesture issues in the snapshot [my.opera.com] released today.

    Mitchman




    msg:4251304
     1:54 pm on Jan 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

    The Mouse Gesture change in the 11.01 snapshot should fully restore the old behavior, with the new UI on top of it.

    mattglet




    msg:4251336
     3:03 pm on Jan 10, 2011 (gmt 0)

    I can confirm it's now working at it should... a LOT better.

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