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Opera 10.50 final released
bill




msg:4089848
 9:14 am on Mar 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

It appears that the final version of Opera 10.50 has been released: [opera.com...]

I don't see a press release yet, and my copy of Opera 10.10 doesn't see the new version as an upgrade yet. However, the front page of the Opera site and the download page all say 10.50!

Time to download... ;)

 

J_RaD




msg:4090002
 3:12 pm on Mar 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

aero peak in windows 7 now works with opera! which is great because it used to ONLY work with IE, FF doesn't even support it yet which is really annoying and one of the top reasons i didn't use FF in w7 anymore.

travelin cat




msg:4090058
 4:18 pm on Mar 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

I downloaded the Beta for Mac last week and it screams. It also plays nice with some javascript menus that would break under all previous versions.

I like it, but will be sticking with Firefox for now.

JAB Creations




msg:4090073
 4:41 pm on Mar 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

With 10.5 Opera finally debuts a version with respectable CSS3 support. I originally posted important tech-specs here: [webmasterworld.com...]

- John

KenB




msg:4090132
 5:43 pm on Mar 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

Okay, I just installed Opera 10.5. I just have one question. How the H E double chopsticks do I get my menu bar back? I can't find it anywhere. I only use Opera for testing and I use the tools menu constantly when I'm testing stuff.

KenB




msg:4090135
 5:49 pm on Mar 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

Okay, I found the menu bar option it is under the red "O" button next to tabs. Silly me I kept looking under appearance.

@Opera, Don't scare me like that. It's bad enough that Microsoft is screwing around with my menu bars in their software, don't you start it to!

mattglet




msg:4090236
 8:39 pm on Mar 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

KenB-

Get used to it ;) Firefox is also about to do it:

Firefox mockups [wiki.mozilla.org]

KenB




msg:4090258
 9:21 pm on Mar 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

Ya, don't remind me about the pending Firefox changes, I maintain a Firefox theme with 100,000 active daily users. I'm looking forward to the effort necessary to make it compatible with the next version of Firefox like I looked forward to having my Wisdom teeth pulled.

weeks




msg:4090277
 9:48 pm on Mar 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

I assure you, Ken, having your wisdom teeth pulled would be a lot less painful.

KenB




msg:4090289
 10:17 pm on Mar 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

Yep. All told, migrating my theme from FF2.0 to FF3.0 took about 60 - 80 hours of work with a number of revisions as FF3.0 went through the beta process. At least now I get enough donations to make it worth my time to under take the effort. If it weren't for that I would have seriously considered throwing in the towel on my theme when FF4.0 launched.

kaled




msg:4090373
 2:15 am on Mar 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

Opera seem to have listened to a tiny bit of the advice given - the tab bar color scheme seems better and the find text bar is reduced in height. Sadly...
  • The navigation bar is still too high.
  • Default configuration of the navigation bar is still very poor.
  • Find whole words doesn't work properly - who tested that?
    Also, the find options available after clicking the binocular button don't match and both bars can be visible simultaneously - yikes!
  • I still can't find a way to change the spell-check dictionary (to UK English) - does anyone know how to do this?
  • The menu bar is still not displayed by default - it seems there are sheep working at Opera.
  • The menu bar font is still not displayed properly (only tested in XP so far)
  • Still no Ctrl-Click to open a link in a new tab. (I know about shift-click.)
    Providing keyboard options for migrating Firefox users would be easy and worthwhile if Opera want people to actually use their browser.

However, whilst my previous tests (of the beta) were in new directory, it's now overwritten the old installation so the changes I mentioned might not be real.

I am largely fed up with Firefox (because of bugs that never seem to be fixed) and would like to switch to Opera, but still can't. Why is that?

Kaled.

J_RaD




msg:4090382
 2:31 am on Mar 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

its not easy to add other search engines, i wanted to add bing and i actually had to look and think about what info it was asking me for :-P

im trying to use O more because of unite and its anti-cloudness

claus




msg:4090424
 4:34 am on Mar 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

With the "Unite" framework, Opera really kicks the behind of other browsers for anyone working with web applications, or having more than one PC. Even if you don't want to use it as your main browser, I highly recommend looking into it as a productivity tool.

bill




msg:4090502
 8:50 am on Mar 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

its not easy to add other search engines

That couldn't be easier.
Go to any page that has a search box on it. Right click in the search box and choose Create Search...

tpeacock




msg:4090506
 8:57 am on Mar 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

J_RaD,

I don't think I every did get Bing! set up for Search.
I'll need to look at that some more

JAB Creations's article got me started just before Christmas, Opera 10.50 has become one of my favorites it is the lightest and fastest browser I have ever used. Never had used Opera before.

National Geographic [nationalgeographic.com...] has a wonderful mega-drop-down menu on their main page that is not understood by 10.5 beta. I haven't looked at how it is designed but it is not resoled at all. hopefully whatever is creating the problem for Opera 10.5 beta will be address in the production version.

I am not one to change things that have work well for me and that I familiar with but Opera 10.5 I am making an exception. Thanks JAB and Brett for getting me started!

Thomas

RonPK




msg:4090838
 5:39 pm on Mar 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

I wondered why they didn't push this version as an update. Now I know: it causes too much confusion to existing users like me. My menubar was gone too, and there was no big red O. Fortunately I remembered the Ctrl-F12 shortcut to get the settings menu, so that I could restore the toolbars to 'Opera Standard'.

Upgrading Opera has often been problematic, and this update is no different.

Now, off to give it a ride!

topr8




msg:4090872
 6:36 pm on Mar 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

That couldn't be easier.
Go to any page that has a search box on it. Right click in the search box and choose Create Search...


exactly it couldn't be easier (and has been like this for a while), i even have added the site search for my own main site.
the only annoying thing is that it wants you to create a keyboard shortcut at the same time and maybe i don't want to do that, i'm happy with the dropdown list

J_RaD




msg:4090936
 7:29 pm on Mar 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

yes that is very easy, I just didn't know thats how you do it because its not that way in any other browser so attemping to do in O resulted in a little bit of confusion.

Fotiman




msg:4091601
 6:20 pm on Mar 4, 2010 (gmt 0)

Still no support for gradient (non-image) backgrounds in Opera as far as I can tell. Am I wrong?

webcreationuk




msg:4096020
 4:30 am on Mar 12, 2010 (gmt 0)

It is a fast browser, but people from Vupen security found some security holes that could get tricky. Anyway, it is recommended by Opera developers to activate DEP ( Data Execution Prevention ) in order to not be exposed to this risk.

Mitchman




msg:4096195
 9:43 am on Mar 12, 2010 (gmt 0)

DEP is activated by default and cannot be turned off for Opera, so the reports is a bit inaccurate.

kaled




msg:4096252
 11:37 am on Mar 12, 2010 (gmt 0)

DEP is not normally active by default in 32bit versions of Windows and it can normally be turned off for any application.

[microsoft.com...]
/NOEXECUTE
This option is only available on 32-bit versions of Windows when running on processors supporting no-execute protection. It enables no-execute protection (also known as Data Execution Protection - DEP), which results in the Memory Manager marking pages containing data as no-execute so that they cannot be executed as code. This can be useful for preventing malicious code from exploiting buffer overflow bugs with unexpected program input in order to execute arbitrary code. No-execute protection is always enabled on 64-bit versions of Windows on processors that support no-execute protection. There are several options you can specify with this switch:
  • /NOEXECUTE=OPTIN Enables DEP for core system images and those specified in the DEP configuration dialog.
  • /NOEXECUTE=OPTOUT Enables DEP for all images except those specified in the DEP configuration dialog.
  • /NOEXECUTE=ALWAYSON Enables DEP on all images.
  • /NOEXECUTE=ALWAYSOFF Disables DEP.

For reasons known only to Microsoft, OPTIN cannot be selected via a dialog box, this means that DEP would need to be enabled globally and then disabled for any individual applications that fail to behave correctly.

Of course, DEP is only really useful to protect computers from attacks via the internet, so it should to be enabled by default for browsers, etc. but is completely pointless for most other apps.

Kaled.

claus




msg:4097153
 11:40 pm on Mar 13, 2010 (gmt 0)

Oh well....

Opera STILL has no way to make a custom User Agent string!

This is extremely annoying to the point of almost being a showstopper, ie. a reason not to use Opera. It's not only because I sometimes prefer to navigate the web using a custom UA string, it is a general concern:

Without this option there is no way any serious web developer can test the response of their sites to common scrapers and "search engines" and other bad bots using the Opera browser. Also, there is no way to test special content generation and logic for cell phones, web tv etc.

Also, for privacy/safety your browser UA string will often be a very good help in establishing a unique ID that may identify you across sessions and beyond cookie life span. Coupled with IP this is often enough. So, for that reason a "special" UA string is not desirable.

To top this off Opera only has two pre-configured user-agent strings (specific versions of IE + Explorer). However, unless you make an edit in an arcane text file these two UA strings will include the text "Opera", so that it's obvious to anyone that this is a spoof. How ridiculous is that?

Now, the worst part is that you need to set the UA string on a site-per-site basis. So, you have to navigate to e.g. Google using your default UA string. Then you have to make a site-specific rule for "google.com"... and even then - when you visit "google.co.uk" or any other Google site Opera will revert to your default UA string. (Google is just an example here - there are multiple other sites with more than one top level domain)

And, there is no way to change this; not even in configuration text-files or by making user scripts. You need to hack Opera itself in order to do it.

This is so stupid it hurts. It's really utterly ridiculous.

Feature request / What they should have done in stead:

IMHO, the only sane way to do this is to make it possible for the user to specify the *whole and exact* UA string permanently - that is, keep the setting you choose until you change it again. Regardless of which sites you visit.

dcheney




msg:4104168
 1:15 am on Mar 25, 2010 (gmt 0)

I noticed that 10.51 is now available as an update

tedster




msg:4104245
 6:06 am on Mar 25, 2010 (gmt 0)

As another thread discusses [webmasterworld.com], 10.51 somehow force updated several people this week - me included. Mu best guess is that my auto-update preference got reset when I went to 10.50. Whatever the technical complexities involved, I did not appreciate seeing a forced update when I know danged well that I have intentionally set it to manual.

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