| 1:17 pm on Jun 13, 2008 (gmt 0)|
I would make a backup copy of your 9.2x directory before installing 9.5 right on top of it.
| 5:08 pm on Jun 13, 2008 (gmt 0)|
mattglet: Indeed, switched last night, after using IE8, Safari, FF3 RC2 and lastly Opera there was no debate. I can't believe my stats! Opera has such low penetration on the sites I track, in some cases as low as 2%? How can a product so good get so little love from the community?
| 5:17 pm on Jun 13, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Who says they are tracking it right. Opera is not even identified correctly by several of the top analytics packages on the web today.
| 7:39 pm on Jun 13, 2008 (gmt 0)|
that would explain it's low number then, but I still think Opera deserves as much hype as FF..
| 9:47 pm on Jun 13, 2008 (gmt 0)|
|The new tab bar kinda sucks though. You can't tell what tab is active or what tabs have finsihed loadin. |
I see that problem on one computer, but on another the active tab is a bright red "X" I can't figure out what setting is influencing that difference.
| 3:17 am on Jun 14, 2008 (gmt 0)|
I did an upgrade over 9.27 on my primary machines.
Damn, this default skin is ugly! I've never used skins with Opera before, but I just started. The Classic Opera 9 skin is here:
That out of the way I had to play with the new synchronization feature. I've been hacking my way around that for years. Nice to have it built in. However, make sure you have backups of everything before you try this. The first time I tried it I got dupes of all my bookmarks. I worked around this by putting all my bookmarks on one machine and syncing it. Then on subsequent machine syncs I simply deleted ALL the bookmarks and notes before syncing. There may be better ways around it, but that's worked best for me.
| 3:44 am on Jun 14, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Ya, opera is taking a severe beating over the new skin in their own forums.
| 1:02 pm on Jun 14, 2008 (gmt 0)|
9.5 was in beta forever. Didn't they have this new skin on it?
| 2:07 pm on Jun 14, 2008 (gmt 0)|
> 9.5 was in beta forever. Didn't they have this new skin on it?
Not that I know of - Opera generally never releases the new skin before the final.
> You can't tell what tab is active or what tabs have finsihed loadin
>> favicon is displayed on the tab only when the page has finished loading.
You can't tell what you have read and what you haven't looked at. (text is same color on tabs you have seen and tabs you haven't seen.)
| 2:32 pm on Jun 14, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Opera did have the skin in the release candidate (only 2 days before launch):
And had the skin in the weekly builds:
I can see were they are going with the interface, the new skin looks a lot like there new version of Opera Mobile which is yet to be released, but some versions of it have been leaked on the net.
I personally like the new skin its actually the first time I haven't replaced the default skin.
| 2:46 pm on Jun 14, 2008 (gmt 0)|
The new skin makes more sense when you are using the default Vista theme - however, I'm using KDE and I'm not keen on the dark look.
Every time a major Opera release come out, I try it for a while, but I alway end up going back to Firefox (or Netscape in the old days). I'll see how it compares to FF3 - certainly it seems much faster than FF2.
| 4:02 pm on Jun 14, 2008 (gmt 0)|
I figured out the active tab issue. The "Windows Native" skin doesn't show the red X on the active tab - at least not on XP Pro - but the "Opera Standard" skin does.
I'm beginning to appreciate the darker tab bar, too. Since I set the Windows toolbar to "hide", and I also have the Opera tab bar at the bottom of the window, the dark look gives me a strong visual cue about which bar I'm actually seeing.
GUI usability issues are a bear, aren't they? Gives me something to remember next time there's a temptation to get innovative with a new website interface.
| 12:33 am on Jun 15, 2008 (gmt 0)|
|The new skin makes more sense when you are using the default Vista theme |
I'm going to revert to that theme for a few days on my work PC, where I actually do use Vista. I admit really didn't give it much of a chance.
|Since I set the Windows toolbar to "hide", and I also have the Opera tab bar at the bottom of the window, the dark look gives me a strong visual cue about which bar I'm actually seeing. |
Hiding the Windows bar had always caused me usability issues in the past (Windows 95-2000) so in recent installs I just keep it visible. (It would get stuck in hidden mode in low memory situations and refuse to become visible again)
However, I'm a huge fan of keeping the tab bar along the bottom of my browser window as well. I think that default theme might be a bit more usable if we could control the color and shading a bit more.
| 1:10 am on Jun 17, 2008 (gmt 0)|
I've just intalled opera 9.50
Does anyone know why are some gif animations now plaing so fast like 80+fps.
They were playng nicely before that :\ Anyway to fix this?
| 1:41 am on Jun 19, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Tried Opera some time ago, didn't like it too much.
Saw this thread, downloaded latest version, and like it - inc for spped for faffing about with Drupal site - as well as feel.
Not sure re making it my primary browser, but happy to keep on with it (this after also downloading Firefox 3, which also moved look towards darker side for some reason [clearly, result of subprime crisis etc...])
| 8:15 am on Jun 19, 2008 (gmt 0)|
1/ My feed list is not there...
2/ Can't import it because Import Feed List is not active
3/ When open XML url, don't get any alert asking if I want to add the feed.
What's wrong ?
| 4:19 pm on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Opera keeps improving.
I think that with version 10, Opera should make a break with the past and pick a new name. It's a good browser. Ever wonder why so few people use it? The name is lame. (As I've joked here previously: What's Opera's target market? Fat ladies who sing?)
Internet Explorer is descriptive.
Safari is kind of a cool (IMHO) metaphorical name that equates browsing as a sort of hunt. Evoking exotic locales and masculine images like guns, jeeps, and surfboards. (Surfin' Safari!)
FireFox has the imagery of both fire (HOT!) and Fox, as in, crazy like a fox, quick like a fox, foxy lady, and so forth. A lot of peppy connotations.
Maybe Opera could sponsor a contest or something to pick the new name, create a little publicity.
The name's a loser, period, and it's gotta go.
| 5:58 pm on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)|
tomda, Feeds are a subcategory of Mail. If you set up even one mail account under Tools > Mail and Chat Accounts, then it all gets activated. You can even configure that mail account never to do any automatic polling.
| 8:42 pm on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)|
|Does the new version yet make you want to switch to Opera as your primary browser (if it isn't already)? |
For me, Opera has always been and will continue to be my primary browser for testing my own code and it was my default browser until around 2 or 3 years ago when - for surfing teh interwebs - FF became my primary browser, followed by Netscape with IE dragging up the rear...
I guess I just like having more than one app open at a time
| 9:52 am on Jun 23, 2008 (gmt 0)|
@Tedster >> I had to close it again... And feeds are back. If you are worried because you can not see your feeds nor import them, just close Opera and relaunch it.
Otherwise, it is very nice... I agree that each one of us should do more to promote Opera.
| 1:46 pm on Jun 23, 2008 (gmt 0)|
>>As I've joked here previously: What's Opera's target market? Fat ladies who sing?
funnily enough the only (non geek) i've met who has ever used opera (apart from people i've introduced it to) was a girl at the royal academy of music who used it because she thought the name was cool.
[as it happens she was stunningly attractive and a pianist :)]
| 2:18 pm on Jun 23, 2008 (gmt 0)|
> funnily enough the only (non geek) i've met who has ever used opera
The 20+ million WII owners don't count?
| 2:35 pm on Jun 23, 2008 (gmt 0)|
i was meaning people i have MET personally!
[i don't know anyone who ownes a WII]
... i was just quoting from what poppyrich said a few posts before.
as for myself i'm an unofficial opera evangalist - i love it, ever since i first read about it here on WebmasterWorld in about 2000/1, i've been a paying (not now of course) user of opera, i totally love it and have ever since then, and introduce everyone i come accross to it.
| 7:16 pm on Jun 23, 2008 (gmt 0)|
I'm having trouble with images getting "stuck in the cache" during local development, even with "Always" checked in preferences. This was one of many reasons I switched to Opera 3 way back when - because IE and Netscape had the "stuck in cache" problem.
So now FF and IE are all fixed, and Opera catches the problem for the first time. With regular images, I can right click, open image, and reload - that does it. But with CSS images I need to type in the filepath, and that's a bit messy.
Is there maybe some feature in Dragonfly that helps out with this?
| 7:23 pm on Jun 23, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Tedster - there are reports that Opera 9.5 is messed with cache settings on install. Go into your prefs and move the "check if cached page..." back to zero. Same for images.
| 9:30 pm on Jun 23, 2008 (gmt 0)|
D'ya mean the F12 preferences? If so... I must be blind :(
| 12:06 am on Jun 24, 2008 (gmt 0)|
I've noticed Firefox 3 is taking big chunks of memory (couple of hundred MB, without much effort on my part); Opera far less, without these browsers otherwise seeming too different to me when visiting sites.
- nudging me towards using Opera more.
Found the "redraw after" can be selected thro preferences.
In prefs, cache settings available via Advanced tab.
| 12:29 am on Jun 24, 2008 (gmt 0)|
|D'ya mean the F12 preferences? |
No, those are the "quick preferences". The heavy duty stuff is under the ctrl+F12 preferences.
| 12:37 am on Jun 24, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Whoops... I meant the Ctrl+f12 ones (didn't even know there was/is an F12 one...)
This is not good: further evidence that I might be going blind and/or mad(der) ;)
Where the %$#%^&$ is "check if cached page"? ? ? ?
Found it... or sorta found it...
Found 'check images' (under Advanced \ History), which has a never and an always... no zero
? ? ?
| 1:06 am on Jun 24, 2008 (gmt 0)|
If you're not being facetious about WII, I think topr8 was referring to those who actually KNOW what browser they're using!
To most people, the "Internet" means what they see when the click the blue "E" on their Windows desktop.
(We're all so far removed from that, it's easy to forget.)
Ahh, testosterone! I was in music school years ago and your comment took me back...
Opera is based in Norway, correct? My understanding is that Opera, meaning Puccini, Mozart, Wagner, etc... has a wide audience there.
Not geeky at all.
Don't care, I'm gonna win that contest...
| 10:23 am on Jun 24, 2008 (gmt 0)|
I just wrote a very long and important email using Gmail and I wanted to get some information about my Opera.
So I click on Help >> About Opera and bah ! I get the about Opera page in the same window.
I click "Back", to get the home page of Gmail and sadly my email has not been saved !
Thanks Opera !
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