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Best way to approach creating a website, free or not.
WNxERIC




msg:3496345
 1:11 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well im new to creating website, and i need help setting one up free or not to begin adsensing. so is there anyone who could help me with the basics?

 

Go60Guy




msg:3496934
 5:44 pm on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

1. Have you registered a domain name?

2. Do you have a web host?

mack




msg:3497195
 11:29 pm on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

We can certainly help, but before we can offer any worthwile advice we require some more info.

Do you have a definate idea about the theme of your website. Knowing exactly what your site is going to be about before you start is a must.

You can then start searching for similar sites and doing your research. Find out what other sites are doing right and improve on their poor points. try and be the best site in your topic.

when you say free, is there realy such a thing in this industry. hosting and domains cost money. I know there are free hosts out there, but to be honest you are better paying a few bucks a month for paid hosting. Free hosting comes with no promises.

The domain you choose will vary a lot bepending on your site. To be taken seriously a top level domain is a must example.com not yourisp.com/users/yourname again there is no gurantee that the domain will exist in years to come. The true domain is a lot better because you control it.

Hope this gives you some ideas.

Mack.

draggar




msg:3497261
 12:52 am on Nov 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

More questions!

What is your knowledge level at and how do you plan to make the site?

Do you have software planned (Coffee Cup, Dreamweaver, Frontpage / Web Expressions) or do you know HTML / CSS etc.. and plan on using notepad?

Do you want to use it to learn how to program? There are some great visual books out there by a Peachy publishing company that I think are great for learning, they can give you a quickstart on web publishing.

WNxERIC




msg:3501069
 10:14 pm on Nov 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm absolutely new no knowledge of most of this, I do have in mind the idea for the site. If paying for a domain is better i can do that once I know for sure what i will be setting up. I have some knowledge in html, very limited tho, thats about it. I have dreamweaver tho. I pick up things quick and have lots of time to learn. Thanks for the responses it shows i have alot more to learn about this.

[edited by: WNxERIC at 10:17 pm (utc) on Nov. 9, 2007]

dazz




msg:3501079
 10:28 pm on Nov 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

make a 3-10+ page website

buy a domain name.

buy a website host for a year.

(at this point this will of cost you perhaps 30-40)

put it online.

swap a few links.

submit the site to all directories in your topic.

create as much content for your website as you can.

swap a few links.

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At this point your either bored of and forget about the site OR if you are interested and passionate about the subject and website you carry one getting links and creating content for the site.

At this stage you could perhaps add AdSense or a few adverts on your site if its getting some/any traffic.

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At this stage your site will either be getting 0-20 to 100k+ visits per day depending on luck/subject/SEO skill/luck/effort/luck/links

good luck!

piatkow




msg:3502404
 12:24 am on Nov 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

For a total newbie:

1. Decide on your topic
2. Design you site with a pencil and paper
3. Download some page creation software to your PC. Do not expect your web host to provide an editor.
4. Build a first cut site on your PC. Check it in several browsers.
5. Now check out hosting and domain name deals
6. Get your hosting and domain name.
7. Upload your site
8. Check that it works. There are things that may work on your PC which will fail over the web.
9. Correct any problems
10. Publicise

A common cause for complaints by novice webmasters is when they sign up for a hosting deal,then start building and find that the hosting service doesn't support what they want to do.

Maxnpaddy




msg:3503620
 12:03 pm on Nov 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Find out what other sites are doing right and improve on their poor points. try and be the best site in your topic.

That's copying someone else's topic or theme or idea. Bit risky ain't it.

Why run with the copycats and be a nothing, when you can be unique and No 1. Be Unique first, improvements can always be done later on.

lynder




msg:3504641
 2:08 pm on Nov 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Know what you want to put on your site.
Have a specific target market

WNxERIC




msg:3505366
 3:19 am on Nov 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the help. I will try to begin making a site soon, what would be the best language or program to use to design a layout for a site? Also once i get my site up and going how do i go about adsensing?

piatkow




msg:3506673
 1:02 pm on Nov 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

For DESIGN I would still stick with a pencil and paper.

Build is another matter, but your design should already exist before you cut a single line of code.

Language choice and toolset depend on content and function. Most sites manage perfectly well with html and a little javascript and css. You don't even need any special software for that, you can turn out a small site with Notepad.

hammerfor




msg:3515393
 5:29 pm on Nov 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

I too am new to web buiding. I have allready started a forum and web page( no hits yet) but it was through Google and a free forum site so I have no Advertising rights. Do any of you know if the Average Pay per month Hosts keep the ad rights or if I as a paid subsciber would have the AD rights. I intend to start a NonProfit Organization in the near future and a little extra revanue would be nice for the cause.

piatkow




msg:3517102
 1:25 pm on Nov 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

Depends on the host. Typically you will have advertising rights but read the small print before parting with any money.

As I said in a previous post a lot of problems occur when people pay up front without knowing exactly what they want.

rocknbil




msg:3517374
 5:59 pm on Nov 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

Another good resource - W3C Schools [w3schools.com]

WNxERIC




msg:3520092
 1:02 pm on Dec 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

Ok so im building up a site to use for my adsensing, what kind of content is good to work with? what is attractable? anyone have examples of there own work and or other articles i can view. or just some little bit of info to help me on my content part :).

rocknbil




msg:3520533
 11:38 pm on Dec 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well, you build content around your topic. If you really like widgets and know a lot about them, you write lots of articles about widgets - how to grow them, maintain them what makes one widget good and another one bad, how to clean them, different uses for them, widget history . . . . .

If you *don't* know a lot about widgets, you need to find someone who does that can write these articles for you. That is what makes sites attractive, people come to a site to solve a problem. So make your content solve problems involved in your topic - and out of this rich content will come all the keywords you need to draw traffic to your site.

netchicken1




msg:3520544
 11:49 pm on Dec 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you are making a website JUST to make money of adsense then don't bother.

You're just making yourself a heap load of hurt.

Make a good website FIRST, get traffic, and content, and then maybe you might money of adsense.

WNxERIC




msg:3524240
 5:07 pm on Dec 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well im kinda getting the idea of how to do this now. so im at a much higher level of this then which i started from and you guys have helped me alot, thank you. i have 2 questions tho before i go any farther, does googles adsensing/adwords cost any money to start up, or is it free? Also does anyone here know a good site that displays the higher amount PPC keywords, or just any at all?

[edited by: WNxERIC at 5:24 pm (utc) on Dec. 10, 2007]

ergophobe




msg:3524468
 9:16 pm on Dec 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

It's free to sign up for Adsense. Of course, you pay to run ads with Adwords.

There's no real point as a beginner in looking at lists of high-paying PPC terms. You simply are not going to get any traffic for mesothelioma or viagra unless you know what you're doing.

If your only reason for building a website is to make money, I have to agree with the person who said that focussing on Adsense is likely to be a long road unless you have
1. A topic that you know a lot about and care about
2. There is a significant number of people who are interested in the topic.
3. That topic has money involved in some way (people buy stuff, rent stuff, etc).
4. You are diligent about writing, writing, writing.
5. You have some patience.

Then I would start building a site, and put no adsense on it until you get some traffic. That's just my opinion, but if you have 20 visitors per day, there isn't much point in putting up ads unless you have 1000 sites getting 20 visitors per day. Many people, especially people on Digg and such, will have a negative reaction to ads on your site and it will make it harder for you to gain traction.

Despite what you may have seen on websites with long long pages promising that you will work 20 minutes per day and rake in riches, it just isn't so, especially for someone starting out now.

While you're trying to figure things out, you should also look into "affiliate marketing". If you do not have a topic that you know/care about, it will likely be an easier road to try your hand as an affiliate, rather than an ad publisher.

PS - also do a google search on "Made for Adsense MFA" (without quotes). I think that will help you out in understanding the landscape a bit, since you are obviously looking into building an MFA site.

WNxERIC




msg:3526023
 5:44 pm on Dec 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

@ergophobe, this is your what first post and your trying to judge me based on this one thread ive made? please dont do that im not trying to make an MFA only site. if you have nothing to help me then dont even bother posting it, but thx for answering some part of my questions. and making an MFA site wouldnt of taken the 3-4 months ive spent posting here putting everything together. yea, trying to make money is a big part of my idea but some POS 1 page keyworded up site isnt my goal here kthx.

ergophobe




msg:3526394
 1:42 am on Dec 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Okay. sorry. That didn't come out as I meant. I am not trying to judge you at all and certainly not trying to judge you negatively. I was trying to give useful advice based on what I read in the thread.

At the risk of digging deeper, let me elaborate.

You said you wanted to do some "adsensing" and are looking for ideas about what sort of content to post:

im building up a site to use for my adsensing, what kind of content is good to work with?

This is basically the definition of made for adsense. Ipso facto, you are making a site for Adsense. I have nothing against that and don't think that necessarily is synonymous with spam. Half the sites built, good and bad, are built on that principal. In fact, I only wish you success. You describe yourself as a total beginner and was just suggesting that you poke around at "made for adsense" search results so you could see what some of the guidelines are and how far you can or can't push things so that you would have a better idea of what is acceptable and unacceptable content. I really was trying to be helpful.

You asked about lists of high-paying keywords. I've seen numerous articles where people obtained such lists and tried to make money with them and found it very difficult because of the competition. Again, not trying to say that you're incapable of making money there, but just to say that it is extremely difficult for anyone, especially a beginner.

That's all

WNxERIC




msg:3526478
 4:38 am on Dec 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

i only wanted the lists of high paying keywords to no where to get them seeing as google was unable to provide any for free. Im going on a single idea for all my content, gaming basically since i no it better then anything else, there have been things ive said or asked for that could seem like im making an MFA but most of them are just questions i couldnt answer on my own and im just asking. my idea is going to use my blog, from blogger for adsensing ATM, along with a google made site to generate enough money to put into a site of my own that is hosted and can earn more money and support more information. I dont have the money to be spending on something that could fail first id rather start from nothing and see where it can go even if its a slower process or even harder. thank you for your concern and help tho. has anyone here have a site in which they use for adsensing? i wont steal anything or use it in any way i just wanna get an idea of what other people do with there sites.

[edited by: WNxERIC at 4:40 am (utc) on Dec. 13, 2007]

ergophobe




msg:3526944
 5:36 pm on Dec 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

Do you have a plan for how you'll get traffic? I'm assuming you're planning on traffic from natural search, which has its plusses and minuses. The main thing I'm trying to say relative to high-paying keywords is that the marketplace is relatively efficient these days, which means that the higher value the keywords, the more difficult to rank for, so it's a tradeoff between more visitors versus more value per visitor. Unless you're planning to pay for traffic, you simply won't get much traffic on competitive (i.e. high-dollar) terms as a new blog. If you are planning to pay for traffic, you can lose a fair bit of money fast.

You have already decided on the gaming niche (about which I know absolutely nothing, so I have to sort of guess) and are basically starting out with a blog, as I understand from your last post. So I'm assuming for the rest of this that you're not planning to buy traffic and that you are hoping for traffic from organic search by writing blog posts. If that last assumption is not true, substitute whatever it is you're doing for "articles" in what follows.

I suspect that gaming very competitive, but has a lot of searching and a lot of money, so if you offer something good, you'll get traffic and eventually that traffic will pay. Since you already know what your niche is, most high-paying keyword lists are not going to be much help. In your case, it doesn't really matter that mesothelioma, debt reduction, refinance, etc still have a high cost per click. They're not gaming terms, so you'll never go there.

Rather, try to think of some topics in the gaming space where you think you know a lot. Your first goal is to get a trickle of traffic that you can watch and study and test. For each topic, do some searches and look at results 5-10. Can you write a better article than at least one of those? Give it a shot. Don't worry whether these get almost no traffic (you do need *some* traffic, but it's astounding how easy it is to get a trickle of traffic). In some ways that's just as well, so when you write an article that does get traffic, your site has some content beyond the landing page.

Install some analytics software immediately. This may be provided by your webhost and be log-based (i.e. analyzing your Apache logs) or you could install something like Google Analytics (if you are 100% whitehat) or statcounter or the like if you are pushing the edge or just don't want Google to have your data. At this point you only want to see how many visitors you're getting, what they're looking at, where they come from, and what search terms they used, if any. If visitors are coming from a forum or a blog, visit that source. Make a comment. Let them know you're a real person who cares about the site.

If you have search engine traffic, you'll be surprised at the variety of terms they use to arrive at your pages. This list of terms becomes your guide to new content. That list will be more valuable than anything anyone would throw out here for suggestions and anything that you might find in lists of high-paying keywords.

I am no expert at making money on line, but as one example, I saw a few people arriving at my site (about 10 per month) using a certain two-word phrase. I spent about an hour writing a page that was more on-topic, put in a link from the page they were landing on, and made about $50 over the next month. And by the way, neither of the two word terms are high-value terms, let alone the two-word phrase. Granted, $50 is chump change, but I didn't actually expect any income from that page and was just after the traffic. I think of the $50 as a bonus for my one hour of work.

I don't know anything about gaming, so I'm maybe saying something that makes no sense, but I hope the principle is clear. If you have a page on say cheat sequences for Excalibur: Buck Rogers edition and you find that you're getting visitors (even just a couple) who are looking for Buck Rogers add-ons, you immediately write a page on Buck Rogers add-ons and link to it from the original page.

Keep watching the logs and building traffic. Don't bother with Adsense yet until you have some good traffic, or at least make it very secondary (below the fold). You don't want to turn people off with ads all over. In my limited experience with Adsense, you aren't going to make anything off 100 visitors a month unless you have super high-paying keywords. In the meantime, though, it hurts nothing to have an amazon affiliate link on, say, a review of a game. That can earn some usually terribly small amount of money, but more important at this stage, it gives actual, useful information to the visitor. It's not just an ad. It is an enhancement to your article in some way and many visitors will appreciate that you provide a link (at least when I see an Amazon affiliate link, I am happy to pay the commission in order to save me two minutes of searching).

Now, let's say you're starting to see some traffic, you've got a few pages indexed. You can actually come up for some pretty specific longtail searches. Now start looking for keywords that might pay well and have good traffic. You can get started with the Google Adwords traffic estimator, various paid and free keyword tools and so on. You'll get a really rough idea of what these terms will pay if you just use the Google adwords traffic estimator to see how much you would have to bid to get clicks. It will also give you an idea of how much search traffic you get. This is a rudimentary tool, but it's a starting point.

Now start building those pages and probably at that point it's worth it to start putting on some Adsense and see how it goes. Use channels in Adsense so that you can see which pages are earning and which aren't.

I'm far from an expert on this stuff, but I think that gives you a bit more detailed plan and will get you started. If you want real money, you'll have to get more sophisticated that this and I can't really hep much with that, but other people here can.

Good luck

[edited by: ergophobe at 5:52 pm (utc) on Dec. 13, 2007]

WNxERIC




msg:3526957
 5:51 pm on Dec 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

that was very helpful thank you. I am stuck at the taxes part for the adsense account ATM, but im making pages as well so i have some content before i start throwing ads in there, im using google.pages. ergo do u have aim/xfire/msn to help me with the stat counters and all that other stuff you described?

ergophobe




msg:3526960
 5:56 pm on Dec 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't use any form of IM. It's best if you post here because, as I say, there are people who know soooo much more than me, it's way better if everyone sees your questions. Also, if the info I have is worth anything, I would prefer to have it available to everyone.

If you're doing a blog and are using Wordpress, get the Headspace2 plugin. It has push-button install of the code for a few analytics packages. All you need to do is sign up for an account, give headspace2 your userid for whatever analytics services you're using, and WHAM! you have analytics installed and running.

PS. I revised the original post a bit. Not sure if it's worth reading again, but I didn't expect you to read it so soon!

ergophobe




msg:3527070
 8:21 pm on Dec 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

>>google pages

Frankly, I don't know anything about what you can and can't do with google pages. My gut reaction, though, is that it's worth it to pony up for an account on a shared server with your own domain. I recently saw someone say he got a year's worth of hosting and a domain name for $30. There are lots of places (probably hundreds) where you can get an account and a domain for under $100/year. You only need to make about $0.28/day to break even on that.

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