| 7:58 pm on Jul 6, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Could I ask you to look at a thread re: crawl rate in the "Search Engine Spider and User Agent Identification" forum herabouts, please?
The topic is "MSN's many cloaked bots. Again". It addresses several bingbot problems including invalid rDNS and UAs and (later in the thread) crawl rate.
| 8:17 pm on Jul 6, 2011 (gmt 0)|
That thread has been pointed out to me. It's also from last August, mainly, from what I was seeing. This morning I was only seeing three fresh posts (from this month) and only one of which mentioned Bingbot or MSNbot.
Spoke too soon - I see my error now - still getting used to the functionality of the board here. ;) I'm seeing the recent, other posts now... ;)
| 10:10 pm on Jul 6, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Takes a while, don't it? :)
My own problem, noted in that thread, is the number of visits I get from otherwise legitmate-seeming bingbots but with incorrect rDNS. The promise made on your bots page is (was?) that the rDNS would resolve to a reasonable URL that identified the IP as a bot.
Have to say you're not alone in this but I am rejecting a LOT of bot hits through this at a time when I'm trying to be nice to Bing. :)
Apart from that, it's nice to see someone from Bing taking an interest in our discussions. I hope this is not ephemeral, which it seems to be with another well-known SE. :)
| 11:31 pm on Jul 6, 2011 (gmt 0)|
perhaps you could shed some light on what attracts a deeper crawl and more indexing from bingbot :)
| 12:18 am on Jul 7, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Yeah, but I did used to hang about here quite a bunch personally years ago, so I should have been able to recall the situation. ;)
Now, any chance you can point me to a URL with that statement around rDNS lookups resolving in a certain manner? If I have something solid I can grab my toga and run through the halls here with a lit torch looking for an owner to discuss the situation with. :)
As for being around persistantly, you'll find sometimes I disappear, but that's mostly because I travel a bunch for Bing. To be honest, I love hanging in the forums with my peeps, as this is where I came from (I used to mod over at Search Engine Forums back in the day). :)
Couple of ways to reach me if you don't find me responsive here:
1 - post up in the Bing Webmaster forums - that I partol as a function of my daily work. Plus we have support staff there who can alert me to items people post specific to me, when they don't see an answer quickly.
2 - @duaneforrester - now, you may not like the short responses, because with only so many characters there's often not enough room to find a polite way to say "your baby is ugly", if such should be the case. ;)
As an FYI, I was an inhouse SEO for over a decade before taking this role with Bing Webmaster, so the pains you guys feel, I understand first hand.
1 - quality, unique content
2 - fresh, quality, unique content
3 - sites that users frequent tend to fair better
4 - skip the tricks - we've seen them all, and while 99% of them we simply let slide, you'd hate to hit that 1% category
5 - social signals are starting to matter more - can't really say how much more, but look at it this way - if you're active socially, and users like you and visit your site, we see their actions
6 - look into rich snippets [schema.org]
7 - yes, inbound links matter - focus on quality instead of quantity. How few links does it take to help rank a page of yours well? Often very few. ;)
8 - Bing doc on successful indexing [onlinehelp.microsoft.com] with us
9 - Bing doc on inserting individual URLs [onlinehelp.microsoft.com] into our index
10 - whole mess of other docs [onlinehelp.microsoft.com] related to using the Bing Webmaster tools, indexing, seo and more
| 10:35 pm on Jul 7, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Bingdude - thanks for the response.
Bad rDNS - 184.108.40.206 - 220.127.116.11 is a good place to begin - there may be others but those are the biggest hitters. Some of those IPs have been actively bot'ing since October 2010 right up to date. As far as I have checked, none in that range carry the bot rDNS: they are generally (all?) msft.msnhst.etc. I did a DNS scan and grepped about a month ago but found no crawl references.
| 10:50 pm on Jul 7, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Checking with the Bingbot wranglers now - not sure when I'll get a response, but I'll post up as soon as I can.
| 9:56 pm on Jul 8, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Thanks. Look forward to the results. :)
| 4:46 pm on Jul 9, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Just remembered the other bot complaint, bingdude - badly formed UA coming from a legit IP...
The trailing dot/Underscore causes the access to be rejected.
| 8:21 pm on Jul 9, 2011 (gmt 0)|
If you can remember any of the relevant IPs or rough IP ranges, that might help a bit more.
Perhaps we can collect all further issues in this other thread: [webmasterworld.com...]
It looks like one reported issue may already be on the way to being fixed.
| 9:15 pm on Jul 9, 2011 (gmt 0)|
The incorrect UAs seem to occur on several bot IPs but today they came in on the range 18.104.22.168 - 22.214.171.124 (specifically, 126.96.36.199 but maybe others)
I've reported most of this in the other forum already.
| 9:58 pm on Aug 4, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Bingdude - any response yet on the bot IPs and UAs?
| 1:01 am on Aug 5, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Nothing I can report out on yet, dstiles. Not a dead issue on my end, just in the (large)stack for review. ;)
| 9:42 pm on Aug 5, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Thanks. A stick of dynamite any use? :)
| 5:29 pm on Aug 9, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Maybe for clearing off my desk... ;)
| 7:07 pm on Aug 9, 2011 (gmt 0)|
A breath of fresh air has entered the discussions! As some of these issues have been around nearly a year, any change soon(est) would be greatly appreciated!
| 7:24 pm on Aug 9, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Bing! Bang! Boom!
| 11:07 pm on Aug 9, 2011 (gmt 0)|
HOLY CRAP! There's a phone on my desk?!