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Live switched to Bing
A new beta test interface for Msn Live search
angiolo

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 7:23 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Today I noted that search.live.com switched to www.bing.com.

It is a Beta version, maybe working only in some countries.
I got bing.conm here in Italy.

The Algo seems to me more "local".
I am curious about the way bing.com find local results: one factor seems IP location...

 

MLHmptn

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 8:31 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

I kinda like it actually, lots of new features actually. Took a little of the best qualities as far as UI from all the search engines. I like the fact that we can mouse over to the right of a SERP and it gives you additional information. Related searches, search history are two new features that I can't remember being on live.com also the advertising block resembles Adwords and the stylesheet of the SERP's is eye candy. Also now noticing sitelinks for the number one site on a few searches which I can't remember seeing live do this before. Not noticing much of an algo update though like the previous poster. One thing I don't like though is how bad they are pushing to shop with Cashback but all in all, good job MS, I'm impressed.

JS_Harris

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 9:36 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

I just took it for a test run (god, I think that means I binged myself...)

My sites rankings in Bing mirror Google's for the most part and I seem to have been spared from affiliate product page hell. All keywords return regular listings, not the affiliate content we saw in the videos.

Some differences. I'm seeing some .at sites mixed in with the .com's and I'm also seeing exact match sub-domains for the first time in a long time. Is Bing more friendly to sub-domains?

One thing I don't like though is how bad they are pushing to shop with Cashback

I have to agree, it's attached to sponsored listings too. I can also see potential for abuse, the popup form that asks for information seems to rely on email a lot. I bet someones already hard at work making code to spoof that popup.

edit: It's got bugs for sure. I typed in "planet bing" for the heck of it and it returned planet bing and planet bong. The bug is that it also showed me sponsored listings that say I can buy planet bing from eBay and the "Bing Cashback" link took me to an empty ebay page that said Microsoft will pay 8% of the bill if I use paypal and BIN... right now. I guess bugs are par for the course.

[edited by: JS_Harris at 9:49 am (utc) on June 1, 2009]

AnkitMaheshwari

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 9:43 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

It looks like they are using all the info provided by Google or rather I should say inspired by G with just the difference in UI...

JS_Harris

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 9:59 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Check your images in Bing. I typed in my domain name without the .com to see which of my images Bing would show and I found several of them are actually hotlinked.

My images are on other peoples sites, hotlinked right from my site, yet the link from Bing is to them, not me.

2clean

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 10:09 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Good stuff. Appearing right at the top for my keywords.

Interent Yogi

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 10:18 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

I don't like that it defaults me to the local search and there is no way to do a World Wide search. So local ( No USA) less relevant searches come to the top . ( Although that is good for my products ) not good when looking for information .

Receptional

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 10:30 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

There certainly IS one heck of a lot of geotargeting going on - and I just had a text from an employee's brother saying that he is getting .NL results by default at the moment... so something to work on there! But on the whole, I have found striking differences between Uk results and US results. I had to go through a US proxy server to properly see US results - but as a "genuine" user - the differences between the two make sense to me. I expect there will be a may to "force" US results from outside the US - but the proxy method works for me in the meantime.

aside:
>>I think that means I binged myself...) <<
That sounds painful... everyone in the office is doing the same!

[edited by: Receptional at 10:39 am (utc) on June 1, 2009]

np2003

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 10:47 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Local BINGs results are sill bad (but I believe that's because they're still on LIVE search), however switching to the US version. I have to say, WELL DONE Microsoft.

The results are very similar to Google, which is a good thing. I think BING is seriously going to make Google sweat. I can do stuff like USD GBP to get currency rates, get weather reports by typing in "new york weather", get stock quotes etc. Very impressive.

If BING can somehow cooperate with webmasters at a higher level than Google, I reckon it's going to make BING better. The way Google treats webmasters right now, is like spare change.

Maybe some sort of penalty system, so if a website is found to be buying links etc. BING can email them a warning, and if they still are found to be buying links, it penalizes them. Much better that how Google treats their webmasters.

gethan

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 10:49 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Geotargetting: - seems to be based on language code specified in browser in some places - eg. I'm in Malaysia with en-GB - received the UK site. (selected en to receive the US version)

New UI feature: - not sure how I feel about this as a webmaster; images - view image result - brings back a framed version of the page - with additional images available in scroll bar.

How much traffic are people seeing from real users via Bing?

Interent Yogi

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 10:57 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

I am in NZ and want to see US results. A proxy is a Pain . So easy to stick with G . I am sure Bing will lose many users if they force you to do a local search. I think that is is more likley IP based.

piatkow

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 11:00 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Much better image results that G. I am impressed, and that isn't easy.

creative craig

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 11:14 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Its Bing.com in South Africa as well

maximillianos

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 11:33 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

It is kinda of weird how most of my query tests matchup pretty even with G. Wonder if something is going on there?

AnkitMaheshwari

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 11:45 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

When I clicked on the Country link at the top right and changed the selected country to US or UK am getting the same results as that using the US or UK IP respectively. So I hope using proxy is not required to see other country results.

piatkow

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 12:18 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hadn't checked that. Certainly what many webmasters want is an easy way to view results as different countries would see them without having to understand the individual architecture of each search engine.

glitterball

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 12:19 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

MS seem to have taken a big step forward. The results for the big keywords that I watch seem to be really good (not too different to Google's).

On the downside, some secondary phrases seem a little weak (still better than before though).

The worst thing that I noticed was (as always) some of the localised results - UK results seem to be a lot weaker than US results. When are they going to realise that many people host their sites in the US even though they are not based there?

2clean

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 12:21 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

"I am sure Bing will lose many users if they force you to do a local search. I think that is is more likley IP based."

Doubt it. Considering that most webusers can't even change their start page with ease.

2Clean.

Habtom

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 12:26 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Much better image results that G. I am impressed, and that isn't easy.

I see better results as well.

AnkitMaheshwari

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 12:34 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Don't forget this is just the beta. Hopefully they might be working on the better local results.

httpwebwitch

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 1:31 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

I just tried Bing. I think it's fantastic. Great results, nice interface, fast response.

Seb7

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 1:40 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Maps directs you Multimap?

bekyed

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 2:06 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yes, looks good.
Just need to work out the algorythm now ;)

robzilla

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 2:22 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Ugh, what an abominable logo. I'm impressed by the search results, but they can't be serious about that logo.

netmeg

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 2:26 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Interesting they seem to be using the same sitelinks as Google.

However, #bing fail for me - I search for netmeg and the first result is the wikipedia entry for nutmeg. Even Google and Yahoo both know better than that.

weeks

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 2:30 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

On local searches Bing is different from Google and Yahoo, which surprised me.

It is clear Bing is going after local search in a big, big way. This is not surprising but it is not good news for local web sites who live and die by ads, such as newspapers--more ad dollars going to search engines. And they cannot seriously expect any bump in traffic.

they can't be serious about that logo.

Corporate logo design has gotten wacky in the last two years. Take a look at Kraft Foods and Walmart. Weird.

johnnie

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 2:34 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

At least I'm raking top spot on all my major keywords on 'Bing'. Let's hope it catches on big-time! :P

northweb

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 2:40 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Results are different for me than google..... and so it should be. I think Bing is a big hit and it will spread...a nice change for search!

northweb

glitterball

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 2:46 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Ugh, what an abominable logo.

I like it - in fact, I like the whole design of the site in general.

sem4u

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Msg#: 3923722 posted 3:09 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have run a few searches and have to say it is looking good. Well done Microsoft.

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