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Live Search MSN Update
Mar 24 2008
WiseWebDude




msg:3609157
 2:22 pm on Mar 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

I see that MSN has done another update and they now have HORRIBLE results. It's ALMOST as bad as Yahoo's now and that's bad! They have some of the weirdest results coming up for searches now. Seems as if BAD sites are ruling the roost now on MSN Live. Anyone else see how bad it is?

 

Staffa




msg:3609268
 5:13 pm on Mar 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

Just had a look and I have to agree with you :o)

WiseWebDude




msg:3609484
 8:51 pm on Mar 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

It is absurd, LOL. I do a search for a MAJOR term and Google Groups comes up for first result and I click on the link and Google says no such group exists...LMAO. WTH? Seems as if MSN Live has really taken a liking to Google Groups for sure. This is weird...ALL results I see in MSN from Google Groups go to a page that says no such group? I wonder if Google Groups didn't have a MAJOR spam attack recently?

[edited by: WiseWebDude at 9:00 pm (utc) on Mar. 24, 2008]

caveman




msg:3609778
 6:16 am on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Don't often comment in update threads anymore, but am forced to agree. Oddly, both authoritative sites (often with ranking pages that should not have ranked), and quality niche sites, seem to have taken a hit on this go around.

I expect it had something to do with ridding their SERP's of the dominance of stray pages from high auth sites (i.e., where the stray pages were ranking too well), but the net result has been more pages from iffy, third tier sites ranking than I have seen in long while.

A lot of spammy mini-nets too. Reminds me of Yahoo five years ago. Especially the weird stuff, like niche sites with top ranking homepages, and badly performing high level subpages. Illogical, split personality stuff.

First step should be to clear the junk out, then fine tune. This seems to be the other way round.

<added> A lot of mess-ups on the geo and local fronts too. </added>

austtr




msg:3609925
 12:37 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

When a search shows "404 page not found" as the title of a result in the top 20, then I think it is reasonable to assume the search engine may still have some work to do on relevance issues.

Nuttakorn




msg:3609934
 12:53 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

It is not good result, you can try : cheap hotels, it shows the almost sub-domain from the one domain, majority of result.

Kate82




msg:3609947
 1:10 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

I did a search and all that showed were .edu listings ... all redirected to another site. NICE! That's a good way to get me to use your engine. Wow ... this does not help my image of MSN.

adfree




msg:3609963
 1:26 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Pathetic, it ignores my language/location choice and always pushes me into the IP related set. SERPs are the worst I have seen in years. If that acquisition goes through we'll see worse for some time to come.

WiseWebDude




msg:3609982
 1:45 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

I reported it to them in their webmaster center. I let them know about the Google Groups, 404's and such...so let's hope.

bwnbwn




msg:3609990
 1:52 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

This could be a way MSN pushes the junk to the top to see when a filter if activated what changes in the results.

I am pretty sure each change takes a couple days to get around the net.

Remember Google did the same thing and slowley activated different filters to reduce the junk slowly.

Give it a few weeks to see if they can bring this in line as we may be jumping the gun on them.

I have looked at some of the results some are not so goodd and some are looking much better, really too early to tell.

minorleague




msg:3610041
 2:36 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Bad News here as well. First page shows some strange results. Hopefully MSN sees this as well

Receptional




msg:3610049
 2:46 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

From here they are looking OK. Very different to G, but OK none the less.

Maybe they are fluctuating as this thread goes on. Maybe I am in the UK so I am not seeing what you guys are seeing. Maybe I am just blind to the results because I am no.1 for my favourite term :)

Well... not totally no 1, because there is a directory (universal like) box in there now...

blend27




msg:3610086
 3:12 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Same Site(home page) ranks for #1 and #2, the only diff. is...? http and https!

We did and do rank for many KeyWords as #1 or #2 in $M SERP, there is almost no visitors from that anyway..

night707




msg:3610194
 4:58 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Authority sites with real content went down and junk rules. Even having a webmaster account with Live doesn`t help to make quality content visible.

Yahoo and Live seem to be competing for worst possible results. Great to see them joining forces soon :-)

Rlilly




msg:3610594
 11:50 pm on Mar 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

My positioning has dropped drastically, I been in top 10 results in MSN since even the Inktomi days 10 years ago and now way back on page 6....

glitterball




msg:3610602
 12:06 am on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

This could be a way MSN pushes the junk to the top to see when a filter if activated what changes in the results.

Maybe, in the niche that I watch, I am seeing abandoned pages that haven't been visible for 6 years appear again.

Let's hope that there is some reason for these results.

(maybe it's a good time to get into the search engine business - there's only one competitor).

BillyS




msg:3610702
 2:30 am on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

I stopped looking at MSN a couple of months ago but I thought I'd take a look since everyone seems to be taking notice.

You'd think they'd have some kind of quality control before releasing these results to the public. I can here the whoosh now as Live.com users rush back to Y! and Google.

Looks like this is going to remain a two horse race.

caveman




msg:3610719
 3:02 am on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

The up's and down's are normal for any SE. Plus, once you own enough sites of different kinds with different models, and learn how to divorce yourself from organic rankings as a mainstay, shifts in the SERP's tend to take on less significance.

Whats' notable here IMHO is the dive in quality at a time when they should be catching up, and when they are vying for increased dominance...this happens.

Having looked at a few more details, I'm wondering if they're trying to sort out what an authoritative page is, versus an authoritative site. Perhaps playing a bit with age of site and internal linkflow in the process. At least part of the issue seems to be under what circumstances does link equity flow down into subpages of newer versus older sites.

Anyone noticing differences by age of site and/or deep versus homepage? Anyone seeing differences in crawl patterns lately?

We should almost set the geo stuff aside, as that aspect of this update is more or less completely, ummm...

piconsulting




msg:3611503
 8:05 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

Anyone else seeing a major downturn in sites that link to each other? My client's sites <snip> all link to each other in the left navigation as other "divisions". They are all unique product lines and unique content. But some are on the same server and all on the same IP scheme.

Anyway, I'm curious to see if this is part of what is affecting MSNs new update. Since I am not seeing it on my client's who have just one site.

Thanks!

[edited by: engine at 9:56 pm (utc) on Mar. 26, 2008]
[edit reason] Specifics [/edit]

wellzy




msg:3611551
 8:50 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

My newest site shop right to the top for it's relative terms, which was expected. It is in a niche industry with only about 10 major competitors and lots of smaller ones.

But I do see a lot of strange results when I just use it as a search engine (which is why I typically don't)

Cyclob




msg:3612060
 10:12 am on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

The results are similar to Google but back into year 2003! before the Florida updated.

msndude




msg:3612370
 4:23 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hey Guys,

I am looking into this and could use some sample queries where you are seeing problems. I have tried the "cheap hotels" example, but I could use some more specific examples to test with.

Please post the term and the query link and we will take a look.

Cheers

MSNDude

<Edit Note: PLEASE don't post specifics here - STICKY MAIL MSNDude. Thanks.>

[edited by: Receptional at 10:36 am (utc) on Mar. 28, 2008]
[edit reason] Keeping it all insode TOS [/edit]

Kate82




msg:3612380
 4:28 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

I searched this time for "lower my car payments" - I got different results this time, but those .edu links are still there. Bad bad stuff.

MadeWillis




msg:3612465
 5:34 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

I searched this time for "lower my car payments" - I got different results this time, but those .edu links are still there. Bad bad stuff.

Just ran this query. I clicked one of the .edu links, the fifth result I believe. A classic case of Spam. The link actually redirects to an adsense site. A javascript file is looking at the referrer and if it's a search engine it redirects. If you paste the URL in directly you don't get a redirect. Looks like a scraper site as the text makes no sense. Probably got banned from adsense, which is why they are redirecting to another Adsense site.

Garya




msg:3612468
 5:38 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

As far as results, I don't use MSN anymore, results keep getting worse and now the worse ever.
google and yahoo are also getting worse but much better then MSN

ASK.com has the best results then google, yahoo.

I just did a search, the #1 site does not work just a shell

[edited by: engine at 8:58 am (utc) on April 20, 2008]
[edit reason] no specifics, thanks [/edit]

centime




msg:3612486
 5:52 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

I ran the 2 queries , an the results look okay,

this is from the UK

Socks_Manly




msg:3612611
 7:38 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Live and MSN have a lot of work to do on the adult site of things.

A search for <term removed> for example brings up a lot of dictionary sites, mainstream sites, articles about <term removed>, etc. When people search for this term, they're looking for the best <term removed> sites.. They don't want definitions from a whack of dictionary sites, or addiction stuff, or #*$! Church for example.

[edited by: jatar_k at 1:27 pm (utc) on Mar. 28, 2008]
[edit reason] no specific terms thanks [/edit]

night707




msg:3612735
 9:38 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

I stopped looking at MSN a couple of months ago

any user could could explain it to Gates & Ballmer why their search engine is useless. But they believe in their well paid experts.

So best to forget about them. IT search belongs 100% to Google.

BillyS




msg:3612747
 9:52 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Try the term "vista" Y! and Google get it right.

Or the term "cutts" again, Y! and Google get it right.

Or the term "bush" getting closer, nearly as good at Y! and Google.

And what about the term "ballmer" - Ops! Better get rid of that number 2 spammer, Y! and Google know better. ;)

I'm just picking terms that come to mind, nothing special about these terms to me.

Reno




msg:3612824
 11:47 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

When MSN/Live started out, they were relentlessly crawling the web. I remember myself and others wondering out loud if they really needed to use up that much bandwidth. But then it slowed to a tiny fraction of the previous activity, and now it's almost nothing.

And, BTW, I'm monitoring close to a dozen well established sites. These same sites got respectable traffic from MSN during those early days, but now, it's pitiful.

If they bring in some engineers who can turn it around, I'll be the first to sing their praises. But until then, I've given up on them -- by expecting nothing, at least I'm no longer disappointed.

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