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Link Exchange gets you banned
link exchange, ban, dropped from MSN
gehrlekrona




msg:3226852
 6:05 pm on Jan 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

In december, if I read my log files right, MSN changed their way of handling links, the quality of incoming links and if they are natural or not.
Sites that have been in an "illigimate linkexchange" were banned from MSN, and if you have more than one site on the same IP and/or own more than one site ALL sites were banned.
I am not sure HOW they verify the quality but maybe all directories and link directories have been devalued so if you have a link from them then you are in MSN's eyes in an "illigitimate link exchange"
In my opinion all search engines shouldn't care about links. if you don't have a listing high up in SE's you need to get links from other sites to get visitors. To me it is like advertising in a newspaper to get people to your store. Should you be penalized for that?
In a few years I see search engines becoming less popular and there will ne new ways of finding GOOD sites, with GOOD content and not just spam site after spam site in their results, and I am not just talking about MSN. Actually seems that ask.com and yahoo is doing better than the big ones.
Anyway, If you have been banned and you have been using "illigimate link exchange", then here's your answer to why you have been banned!

 

Quadrille




msg:3227052
 11:40 pm on Jan 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

In my opinion all search engines shouldn't care about links. if you don't have a listing high up in SE's you need to get links from other sites to get visitors. To me it is like advertising in a newspaper to get people to your store. Should you be penalized for that?
You mean no credit for links? Or no penalty? Both?

Point is, if people join link scams simply to score in SEs, what choice do they have? They have to protect their listings from spammers, or they might as well not bother!

It's good news that MS is dealing with spammers, though, isn't it? they were beginning to get a reputation as a soft touch, like Ask.

rytis




msg:3227066
 11:56 pm on Jan 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Not sure this MSN tactic is clever, really smart algo chasers quickly learn other ways to compensate for links (money, freebies etc), or move on to spam blogs, forums... Everybody else is increasingly scared to exchange most logical legitimate links.

MSN, please define where is the treshold in linkexchange.

Quadrille




msg:3227132
 1:40 am on Jan 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Not sure this MSN tactic is clever, really smart algo chasers quickly learn other ways to compensate for links (money, freebies etc

That's how it works - the spammers do one thing, the SEs respond, the spammers do something else ... the SEs respond. It's normal behaviour, nothing clever - just part of the way the world turns :)

move on to spam blogs, forums...

... which has just been a waste of time for three years, but it keeps them off the streets ;)

Everybody else is increasingly scared to exchange most logical legitimate links.

No they're not; logical legitimate link exchanges have never been a threat, likely never will. Why would they be? If they really are logical and legitimate, of course ;)

MSN, please define where is the treshold in linkexchange.

Please don't; honest folk don't need to know, it'll never affect them. So it'll only help the spammers!

[edited by: Quadrille at 1:43 am (utc) on Jan. 22, 2007]

CainIV




msg:3227229
 4:51 am on Jan 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

In december, if I read my log files right, MSN changed their way of handling links, the quality of incoming links and if they are natural or not.

Please tell us how you can determine this from your logs alone?

Are your websites linked up and on the same network? Was there an MSN algo change at the time? Have you considered these other factors and a multitude of others as a possibility?

I you have lots of sites with tons of recips, they maybe this is the case, but then again maybe not. Tons of sites in the MSN index that actively trade links without regard.

gehrlekrona




msg:3227638
 3:51 pm on Jan 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Please tell us how you can determine this from your logs alone?
An easy way is to check your logs and see if the hits go down or up. In December my hits went down dramatically so I started checking where the hits came from and in December hits from MSN started dropping and now they are all gone. So they most likely started using a filter of some sort and that's why you see other sites here complaining about sites dropping out of MSN.

Are your websites linked up and on the same network?
Yes they are. Hosting my own sites and others sites. Same IP :(

Was there an MSN algo change at the time?
Don't know but it seems that a lot of sites were affected at the same time.

Have you considered these other factors and a multitude of others as a possibility?
Yes I have. When I saw my hits drop I checked my site(s), removed whatever could be wrong until I checked my mother-in-law's site with a few pages and saw that it was gone too. She doesn't as far as I know, even have any incoming links and she is not in an "illigitimate link exchange" so this is either an IP ban, owner ban or Name Server ban, or maybe all of it and it's not right do penalize all like they do here!

CainIV




msg:3228428
 7:40 am on Jan 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

could be network domain interlinking. Are all the websites interlinked?

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