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MS releases own tablet "Surface" for Win 8
Microsoft takes the apple route..hardware and software.
Leosghost




msg:4466960
 12:00 am on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Microsoft unveils Surface Windows 8 tablets, hardware for their win8 software..

[bbc.com...]

Challenging Apple and Google and others ..

 

bill




msg:4466988
 1:55 am on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Here is the official MS press release about Surface.

Microsoft Announces Surface: New Family of PCs for Windows [microsoft.com]

Today at an event in Hollywood, Microsoft unveiled Surface: PCs built to be the ultimate stage for Windows. Company executives showed two Windows tablets and accessories that feature significant advances in industrial design and attention to detail.


Despite all the hype that went into the announcement I'm not sure what to think about this yet. I guess we'll have to wait for pricing details to see what sort of uptake this unit will have...

It does look to only be available in the US market first. No word on other markets.

jonathanleger




msg:4466989
 2:05 am on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

I like the keyboard being built into the cover. That's cool.

albo




msg:4466999
 2:34 am on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

The "live feed" I followed made it look like a well-thought-out design. I'm very eager to see it in user hands, and what it'll mean for website design...if anything.

Leosghost




msg:4467000
 2:37 am on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

I like the keyboard being built into the cover. That's cool.
It will be available in a selection of vibrant colors

Hopefully that will include black, and also white..

Leosghost




msg:4467154
 10:13 am on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Some early "tech press reaction" gathered together on the BBC..
[bbc.com...]

A major point I'd agree with is..MS have made a mistake announcing and showing something which is not available the same day..and has an unknown price..

From the picture on the BBC article at least they have made the keyboard in some non "fisher price" colours ..

bordering




msg:4467158
 10:33 am on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Apple make it all so straightforward - their products look great, they tell us the specs and price and if we want one we can have it next week or so. To me this looks really confusing. Is it a laptop? It looks like one. The wacky colours could date it quickly too. There are plenty of unremarkable but perfectly usable droid tablets available now and they are pretty cheap. This thing reminds me of Zune, and I suspect its trajectory in the market place will be similar.

lexipixel




msg:4467159
 11:17 am on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

"...The kickstand is there when needed, and disappears when not in use, with no extra weight or thickness."


I don't think that's physically or mathematically possible.

jwolthuis




msg:4467182
 1:01 pm on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

I don't think that's physically or mathematically possible.

The key word is, no *extra* weight or thickness.

I think we can agree that if the kickstand bulged out, or was an extra piece hanging off the back cover, that would be *extra* weight and thickness. But there's no bulge, and nothing extra is attached to the case. Smart design utilizing the lower half of the back cover.

travelin cat




msg:4467190
 2:06 pm on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Once again MS proves that they don't have a single interface designer on their staff. Like Leosghost said, it looks like it was designed by Fisher Price.

That's the best user interface MS could come up with? An overly large orange rectangle has a white headset icon, a green square has a white shopping bag, a purple square has a white talk bubble. That's your best shot?

Panthro




msg:4467202
 2:55 pm on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Interesting to me is that it seems like the first tablet with a full desktop-level OS - unless I'm misunderstanding it.

explorador




msg:4467222
 3:43 pm on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

I'm a bit sckeptical but yes, it looks good!. I've been reading publications regarding tablets having a problem... they are mostly tools to consume content, not to create content... this means you have a tablet but also a notebook or desktop computer... The Surface has a full operating system that can be used as the old windows and also as a tablet touch OS. This could be very very interesting...

There could be many scenarios where you no longer need to take your notebook AND tablet with you, but only your Surface... Who knows.

engine




msg:4467258
 4:40 pm on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

I like the look of the device. The kb is an addition/option, for those that prefer a kb. I know some that do. The colours are funky, for the launch impact.

The fact that it's Windows may mean it'll operate MS software tools, and that could be very good for corporate customers.

Microsoft's annoying introductions in advance of shipments can hurt it, imho. As was said, you see the new Mac at a launch and it's shipping a few weeks later. Not the same with the Microsoft Surface.

incrediBILL




msg:4467273
 5:07 pm on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

This is a total game changer.

Now that the tablet can be the primary computer, which is where Apple and Andoid bungled with special OS and a whole different suite of software apps, MS is poised to rock the computer world.

This tablet is a netbook killer and potentially the end of the traditional laptop as we know it.

Since it's a full blown Win 8 device, and assuming it can just plug into your home network like any other Windows PC and use all your existing software, this thing is plainly going to rock.

I want it and I want it NOW!


Microsoft is just delivering a full blown computer dressed up like a tablet, exactly what we wanted in the first place, end of story, sold. Of course I've wanted it since I held my first Windows tablet/pen computing device way back in '91 and it finally looks like they've pulled their heads far enough out of their tailpipes to deliver it.

Apple should finally be nervous.

The kb is an addition/option, for those that prefer a kb


That's how you replace netbooks and kill laptops all in one swoop, make peripherals available from the start as a planned part of the product and not a clunky aftermarket add-on.

The fact that it's Windows may mean it'll operate MS software tools


Not just for corporate types, for all of us with investments in Windows software.

Having to switch from Windows to Android to iOS or whatever is a big old mess and leaves lots of room for incompatibility and buggy transitions which a unified Windows platform easily solves and reduces the overall software investment. Also, since Surface is a real computer, you could theoretically run an Android emulator and port all your existing Android apps to Surface. Even Apple doesn't have a clean transition with the Mac and iStuff, so if MS doesn't bungle this they could regain the upper hand.

FWIW, if all I had to do was dock this thing with a 24"+ screen (or two or three) to be able to use it as my primary computer, then the desktop as we know it would be essentially dead.

I'll title this episode in computing history "The Empire Strikes Back"

Leosghost




msg:4467287
 5:37 pm on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

FWIW, if all I had to do was dock this thing with a 24"+ screen (or two or three) to be able to use it as my primary computer, then the desktop as we know it would be essentially dead.

I wouldn't want to try to run most of my win software ( adobe and autodesk stuff ) on it at current ( and near future ) specs, and you'd need to run a few USB hubs an have additional ports..and somewhere for a mouse* ( can't do real image work or 3D or precision with a trackpad )..and it will need hacking to get rid of the awful interface..( I tried win8 , the interface does get in the way for the way non Joe and Jane 6 pack users work )..the current win8 hacks still leave metro to "jump out" at you..

But for form factor ( easy always there keyboard ) and running a full OS ( and linux side by side or in VM ) ..yes ..I'd agree with you Bill..

It can be a game changer ..

If they can get it in the shops soon, at a reasonable price point..and not be greedy..especially outside of the USA..none of this $100.00 equals €100.00 or £100.00 pounds etc gouging that goes on from everyone on hardware and software..

If the above were fixed..and it were out today ..then Apple would be worried, and so would the Android tablet makers.. as would all the ultra book, laptop and netbook makers..

* graphics tablet is even better..I like to have mouse, wacom and keyboard..it might fit a mid range wacom like a "sandwich" ..I have one which is very thin and about these dimensions..need to find a ruler that measures in inches, or convert from cm ..

[edited by: Leosghost at 5:53 pm (utc) on Jun 19, 2012]

ken_b




msg:4467289
 5:43 pm on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Where are the specs for this thing?

Any hard drive or other local storage options?

USB plugs? How many?

What about the battery? Can it be removed and replaced?

incrediBILL




msg:4467323
 7:18 pm on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

I wouldn't want to try to run most of my win software ( adobe and autodesk stuff )


People forget that Adobe and Autodesk used to run on a 286 back in the day. The size of the images you're working on really dictate the kind of horsepower you need as little web graphics is hardly taxing on a computer compared to dealing with full size images and photo retouching, etc.

Average user doesn't really use that kind of power software, just MS Office, email and a browser. These days the browser is almost the only tool many people use all day long because most of their applications are no longer on the desktop.

Funny thing is that the people on WebmasterWorld are not the customers that these companies have in mind for these products. Everyone on WebmasterWorld complains about all sorts of stuff in computers which I can assure you, most people I know, other than programmers and web designers, don't care about whatsoever.

You have to put on your marketing cap when you look at products and see who the audience is and even if you're not the intended audience, could you benefit from building aftermarket products for that intended audience?

There's going to be money to be made here, the question is whether or not people can divorce themselves from silly mental roadblocks that would stop them from profiting from the next wave of technology.

Leosghost




msg:4467333
 7:40 pm on Jun 19, 2012 (gmt 0)

Wasn't the same adobe or autodesk ..the last two adobe suites are bigger than my first HD..:)

But we ( and you ) were also talking about what we ( and you would like ;-)
I want it and I want it NOW!


Agreed ..the current specs of surface will be more than enough for most users..

re "after market items" for it..

It doesn't appear to need any ..and I'm not going to chase after every "new car that passes" trying to invent a gadget for it..:) ..nor spend my time inventing add ons for others products..

I have more than enough work to do with my current businesses on and offline..various "niches" ( not all "tech" )..already I could use some clones :)

Angonasec




msg:4467452
 3:41 am on Jun 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

+Chuckle+
I've never seen incrediBILL so excited.

Bill, wake up, this is a Microsoft product.

It will surely be awful.

Q/Apple should finally be nervous./Q

+Double Chuckle+
You can be sure Jobs left behind all the planning Apple need to make the iPad what it really should be. That step was, and is so obvious. But like the iPad had to wait for the technology to be able to do what he wanted it to do, so it will be for the "Lap/Desktop-beating Tablet".

The use of flash memory in the new MacBook Pro is a dead-giveaway.

Ignore the MS sideshow, and wait for the one that works.

Web_speed




msg:4467458
 3:58 am on Jun 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

FWIW, if all I had to do was dock this thing with a 24"+ screen (or two or three) to be able to use it as my primary computer, then the desktop as we know it would be essentially dead.

I'll title this episode in computing history "The Empire Strikes Back"


Me too...

Cant wait to see it in stores already!

Robert Charlton




msg:4467503
 8:03 am on Jun 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

All that incredibill said... I hope.

I am initially encouraged by what I see on the Microsoft announcement and here... http://www.surface.com [surface.com] about its generally usability as a tablet and as a notebook. I'm not sure about legacy software on this thing, eg, but there is a lot of attention to detail.

The specs and pics together answer many of the questions I had, like where do you put the cover, is it wireless, does it have a camera, etc? Not yet sure whether I'll have to return to kindergarten to take a refresher course in finger painting.

I also note that MS isn't nagging me to install Silverlight in order to play their demo video, which, while it's flashy and doesn't tell me much, does suggest a level of thought about the outside world I haven't seen from MS in a while.

kartiksh




msg:4467511
 8:23 am on Jun 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

Here is the specs Ken

it is from
[microsoft.com...]

Surface for Windows RT

• OS: Windows RT

• Light(1): 676 g

• Thin(2): 9.3 mm

• Clear: 10.6” ClearType HD Display

• Energized: 31.5 W-h

• Connected: microSD, USB 2.0, Micro HD Video, 2x2 MIMO antennae

• Productive: Office ‘15’ Apps, Touch Cover, Type Cover

• Practical: VaporMg Case & Stand

• Configurable: 32 GB, 64 GB


Surface for Windows 8 Pro

• OS: Windows 8 Pro

• Light(1): 903 g

• Thin(2): 13.5 mm

• Clear: 10.6” ClearType Full HD Display

• Energized: 42 W-h

• Connected: microSDXC, USB 3.0, Mini DisplayPort Video, 2x2 MIMO antennae

• Productive: Touch Cover, Type Cover, Pen with Palm Block

• Practical: VaporMg Case & Stand

• Configurable: 64 GB, 128 GB


equally excited like incrediBILL. Way to go MS!

The thing i am sold is like incrediBILL, Full blown Desktop/laptop capabilities with OFFICE and all other products in a tab.! - i have not seen this but have seen the prototype or in research Samsung device with Win 8 in it..awesome. Why i mentioned this, i can see all most all similarities between that device and this NEW surface.
I have experienced Surface (the big device – used at Vegas by many casinos) in 2006 or probably 2007 and since then I was thinking why cant MS do this….they already have technology and product which can go and compete iPad. Then I came across this image on social network – lol https://picasaweb.google.com/101923050477020475507/MicrosoftSurface#5756031260643761170

incrediBILL




msg:4467661
 4:47 pm on Jun 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

Bill, wake up, this is a Microsoft product.

It will surely be awful.


I've been using MS products since Level II Basic showed up in my TRS-80 Model I

I've built an entire career on MS products including Windows products that sold over $100M/yr.

MS products have been far from awful, they've been very very good to me.

Until it came to the internet and servers, then I switched to Linux ;)

Seriously, I've wanted to carry my entire computing life in my pocket since I've read Arthur C. Clarke's "Imperial Earth" as a kid and we're finally getting close, so of course I'm excited! Who knew that in my lifetime I'd go from 64K 5" floppies to 64GB chips the size of a fingernail. Someday soon, very soon, we could be recording all the sights and sounds of our daily lives just like the guy in the book. Could pretty much do it today with the right resolution, compression and using a 64GB chip day, a tad expensive, but doable.

Not to mention, in case you missed it, the new glucose fuel cells [pcmag.com] they just announced that take power directly from the glucose in your body to power computer chips.

Soon the devices won't even be truly external like the tablet or the cell phone, see Google Glasses for what's coming next and it'll probably end up on a contact lens being powered by your own glucose in your tears using those new fuel cells.

Welcome to the Borg, resistance is futile! :)

Full blown Desktop/laptop capabilities with OFFICE and all other products in a tab.


With new video technologies like the Retina display, which is roughly 4x data of a normal display, you could squeeze enough readable text on a 10" display, probably as much as we get on a 24" display, to actually do some real work assuming you carry around some 2x reading glasses so you can see what in the heck it says. May sound silly but carrying around a pair of magnifying reading glasses vs lugging a 17" laptop monitor is a fair trade IMO for having a truly mobile office.

Of course you could always switch the screen size back to something normal when not in 'office' mode too.

You can be sure Jobs left behind all the planning Apple need to make the iPad what it really should be.


... and I'm sure the fine people at Toys 'R Us will be happy selling those toys to tots when an adult tablet finally comes to town.

matrix_jan




msg:4467765
 10:09 pm on Jun 20, 2012 (gmt 0)

Those who're not in favor of MS products might like this :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1zxDa3t0fg

Angonasec




msg:4467818
 1:24 am on Jun 21, 2012 (gmt 0)

Q/I've built an entire career on MS products including Windows products that sold over $100M/yr.

MS products have been far from awful, they've been very very good to me./Q

Ahh I see, you're an MS repairman!

Q/Seriously, I've wanted to carry my entire computing life in my pocket since I've read Arthur C. Clarke's "Imperial Earth" as a kid and we're finally getting close, so of course I'm excited!/Q

Arthur has a lot to answer for. Pity he didn't see what was really coming. Too late now.

Q/... a fair trade IMO for having a truly mobile office./Q

That would be progress? Surely you remember the good ol'days when telephones were in big red boxes, and at work?

And home was home.

Q/ ...and I'm sure the fine people at Toys 'R Us will be happy selling those toys to tots when an adult tablet finally comes to town./Q

+Chuckle+ An easy way to compare current tablets is to go to a mall and sample the connected ones on show. Within minutes you can walk round and compare the very best Samsung, Sony, Blackberry, and Apple have to offer. MS are a no-show.

It's a quick lesson in ergonomic design you won't forget.

Apple's competitors are "Flumoxed" indeed.

ken_b




msg:4467827
 1:52 am on Jun 21, 2012 (gmt 0)

Here is the specs Ken


Thanks

incrediBILL




msg:4467830
 2:12 am on Jun 21, 2012 (gmt 0)

Ahh I see, you're an MS repairman!

Why do I feed the iTroll.

Angonasec




msg:4467965
 12:30 pm on Jun 21, 2012 (gmt 0)

Ouch!

Definitely not trolling. Only pulling your leg Sir.

I've learned a lot from your posts here over the years.

That's why I was so surprised to see your enthusiasm for "Surface".

Let us know if it meets your expectations.

ByronM




msg:4468082
 6:40 pm on Jun 21, 2012 (gmt 0)

I for one can't wait for the Pro version if it can be priced less than the current Samsung Series 7

incrediBILL




msg:4468164
 10:26 pm on Jun 21, 2012 (gmt 0)

I for one can't wait for the Pro version if it can be priced less than the current Samsung Series 7


I think you have to consider the value of the entire package and it's capabilities as one can do far more than the other simply by design. It's not an even comparison because one tablet will run all your existing software, just like a laptop would, and the other runs a toy OS designed to run toy apps.

That's why I was so surprised to see your enthusiasm for "Surface".


HP was going to launch a Windows 7 tablet a while back and scuttled the thing. So I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for a tablet that runs a full blown OS and real software for quite some time.

If anything, I think I'm being very patient at a minimum :)

Obviously I could've pulled the trigger on an iPad but because of the kiddie OS and kiddie apps it runs I didn't find the value received worth the typical Apple overpricing for their gizmos so we got a Nook Tablet instead and have been quite happy with it for what it does for the price.

Angry Birds is much more fun to play for $200 than $500 if you ask me.

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