| 6:11 pm on Jan 4, 2010 (gmt 0)|
I'm in the market for a new computer, but it's not only Office I'd need to upgrade - a load of other software I use would need to be upgraded too. The software costs will exceed the cost of the computer.
Unless I can find XP drivers for the new computer...
I would have gone for Windows 7 had there been backwards compatibility.
| 6:34 pm on Jan 4, 2010 (gmt 0)|
I just bought a new computer with 7 on it and now find I can't install a program I must have. What's so wierd is when I put the product key in the program in 7 it says trial verison has expired. It isn't a trial verison. I don't have this issue in XP so now I have to find a way to get this to work or I am in big trouble.
Can't call the company that I purchased it from they closed down in 2000. I spent a day trying to figure a work around and just had to walk away for now.
I also had the office sofware issue but was able to work around it.
| 6:41 pm on Jan 4, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Is the new computer running windows 7 64 bit edition?
I am going to hazard a guess on personal experience that the software is unable to read or write where it wants to record they license information in the registry. I find this happens often with older 32 bit windows software running on 64 bit OS. You might want to fire up RegMonitor and watch what is doing, and you might be able to fix it from there.
| 6:42 pm on Jan 4, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Only available in the USA it seems.
Having recently used a computer (one I don't own) with Vista and Office 2008 on it: I can now see why people hate upgrading Office. That version is utterly useless if you're used to the Mac versions ad/or the older version.
It even lacks basic menus like File, Edit etc.
But IMHO there is no excuse to not upgrade the software of the vendor you chose. If you disagree with the new versions: then switch to another vendor. By running ancient unsupported version you endanger not just yourself, but all the rest of us as well.
Honestly: I'm sick of legacy IE versions.
[edited by: swa66 at 6:45 pm (utc) on Jan. 4, 2010]
| 6:43 pm on Jan 4, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Folks with Windows 7, run XP mode if you are having difficulties and it'll run as if it were XP for those particular apps.
| 7:08 pm on Jan 4, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Thanks guys I will explore both of these options tonight and let ya know tomorrow...
| 7:10 pm on Jan 4, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Microsoft would have a hard time convincing me to upgrade to Office 2007 from 2003 even if they gave it away for free. Office 2007 is a giant step backwards from Office 2007. I use 2007 from time to time when I'm forced to and it blows vomit chunks, especially when developing database apps in Microsoft Access. There are more asinine regression bugs in Access 2007 then I can shake a stick at, especially when developing Access database projects using a MSSQL 2008 back end.
Office 2007 violated a fundamental law of software design, don't "fix" what ain't broke.
| 10:10 pm on Jan 4, 2010 (gmt 0)|
|Folks with Windows 7, run XP mode if you are having difficulties and it'll run as if it were XP for those particular apps. |
Only if hardware allows. Lots of machines will not be able to run XP mode.
| 4:29 am on Jan 5, 2010 (gmt 0)|
XP is my production environment because it's well designed...not by default but you can tame it to not suck. Windows 7 on the other hand doubles, triples, and in some cases quadruples the number of clicks to achieve the same OS-level goals such as managing the file system with Windows Explorer.
If Microsoft wanted my money they should have made Windows 7 include the successful features of Windows XP. Newer is not always better and Microsoft made that devastatingly clear with both Vista and 7.
| 5:35 am on Jan 5, 2010 (gmt 0)|
This discount doesn't appear to be targeted at most participating in this thread. It's specifically for companies with existing OEM, Retail, or Volume licenses. This is a way for MS to encourage upgrades from organizations, not the individual consumer. In an economic climate like this, where a lot of small to mid size companies might have held off on upgrades this could be a very attractive offer.
| 8:49 am on Jan 5, 2010 (gmt 0)|
It's funny how people view software differently. KenB hates Office 2007, yet I love it. I guess that is because I use Word 2007 and Excel 2007 exclusively - I don't need all the other stuff in it. I swore off Outlook ages ago and my databases are far simpler than what many people here use.
I also very much like Vista, once you figure out how to turn off the annoying UAC.
I think the problem a lot of people running XP will have to wrestle with in deciding whether or not to upgrade is whether or not their hardware will run Windows 7 well. Although 7 isn't the memory hog that Vista is, most people running XP probably still do not have the hardware needed to run Windows 7. Despite the improvements, Windows is still likely to choke with only 1-2 GB of memory and an older, slower processor.
| 8:58 am on Jan 5, 2010 (gmt 0)|
I'm never leaving XP.
| 1:22 pm on Jan 5, 2010 (gmt 0)|
I think the real reason for the discount is not that old office versions are 'good enough' but that they are actually much better for heavy business users. The difficult-to-use mess that is Office 2003 was a major reason for us not to upgrade Office but instead to move to Linux + OpenOffice. It has been a really great move that I have not once regretted.
| 1:55 pm on Jan 5, 2010 (gmt 0)|
>>KenB hates Office 2007, yet I love it
I agree, Office 2007 blows XP / 2003 away. Do the menus take some getting used to? Absolutely. But the application is just plain better - much better.
| 2:12 pm on Jan 5, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Gomvents I did some looking last night just a couple minutes was busy updating my sites so reading the post this am I see were jbinbpt posted about not being able to run on some machines. I did a search and foud were microsoft allows a dowload for this. I will download this application tonight. Looks like microsoft has set this up to help those programs effected.
| 6:24 pm on Jan 5, 2010 (gmt 0)|
|It's funny how people view software differently. KenB hates Office 2007, yet I love it. I guess that is because I use Word 2007 and Excel 2007 exclusively - I don't need all the other stuff in it. I swore off Outlook ages ago and my databases are far simpler than what many people here use. |
If I used Word or Excel 2007 I might feel differently, but Access database development, and especially developing Access database projects, which use a MSSQL backend is much easier under Access 2003 because of easier to access menus (sorry the new strip thingy is just convoluted and confusing in Access 2007), plus many things you regularly need in Access development are now buried deep into the new menu that comes off the office icon at the top left. Worse yet certain tasks like hiding/unhiding the object browser now require restarting Access, which was never necessary before and is wholly asinine.
By default I like my databases to open with the object browser hidden as end users don't need it and hiding it removes clutter. When I'm working on a database, however, I need to unhide the objects so that I can work on them. Prior to Access 2007 I could set the object browser to be hidden by default in the database start up options and then when I needed to access it I would unhide it, the next time someone opened the database it would still be hidden. Now I have to open a database, dig deep through several layers of menus/popup windows to find the option to show the object browser, change the setting and then restart the database. Once I've completed my work I have to remember to repeat the process to hide the object browser again before I build a encrypted production version of the database that end users actually use. Something that was simple and automatic before is now complex and requires a checklist to make sure I don't forget the extra steps.
Then there is the issue with the way MSSQL 2008 and Access 2007 play with each other via Access database projects. Lots of really stupid stuff that works just fine under Access 2000/2003 get broken in really stupid ways under Access 2007. For instance, as a programming practice if I'm going to reuse a SQL statement in different objects (e.g. a form and report) I generally save as a SQL view. If I'm going to use a SQL statement once and only once for a specific object (e.g. a form) I place it directly in that object's record source. The beauty of this is that if I ever need to change a SQL statement for a specific object I know that if it is in the record source it is safe to change as needed, but if it is stored as a view other things might be depending upon it.
The problem is that now under Access 2007 if a subform (a form nested in another form) contains a SQL statement in the record source that references multiple tables and/or views, records in that subform can no longer be edited or added to. To get around this problem I have to save the SQL statement as a view on the SQL server and reference the view in the record source for the subform. The catch is that sorting instructions in a stored view are ignored by Access 2007, as a result the output to the subform is not properly sorted. To get around this issue I now have to take the newly created view and create a select statement from it in the subform's record source that includes the necessary sorting instructions.
So in short:
In Access 200/2003:
Create select statement in subform's data source and everything works just fine. No worries.
In Access 2007:
One must create a view on the MSSQL server using a naming scheme that denotes the view is only to be used for a specific subform. Said view must then be referenced from the subform in the record source. If the data needs to be sorted, one must create a select statement in the subform's record source referencing the new view with the sorting instructions in this new select statement.
FLY IN THE OINTMENT:
Sometimes in Access 2007 creating a select statement with sorting instructions off of a view in a subform's record source will still make it impossible to edit data in that subform. To get around this you have to reference the view directly from the record source sans any select statement and then add sorting instructions to the subform's "order by" field. The catch is that users can override these instructions so to make sure it always works right I must put the sorting instructions into the order by field via a VBA function when the subform is opened.
Oddly enough, Access 2000 & 2003 do not have this subform record source issue when running on a MSSQL 2008 backend and Access 2007 does not have this issue when it is running on a MSSQL 2000 backend this problem only seems to crop up for me when Access 2007 is running on a MSSQL 2008 backend. Tell me that this isn't messed up.
I've been running into all kinds of similar odd behaviors like above with Access 2007, which has required me to spend many hours fixing what shouldn't have broken for one of my clients since they migrated to MSSQL 2008 & Access 2007. Sure it has given me a lot of billable hours, but it still really irks me to have to fix, what was working just fine before. Of all of Microsoft's Office applications, MS-Access has always been my favorite since I started using it with Office 95. In general I really enjoy building Access databases and find Access Database Projects to be a great development platform. Access 2007, however, is that it is an abomination and Microsoft should be ashamed of it. With Access 2007, Microsoft has butchered what was one of the jewels of Microsoft Office.
Boy sometimes it just feels good to vent! ;-)
| 11:14 am on Jan 6, 2010 (gmt 0)|
I still use Office 97 - mostly spreadsheets and some databases.
Unless 'math' changes, I have no reason to upgrade to new, bloated versions.
For an OS, I still run Win2K on a lot of machines - nice that they left that out of the 'upgrade' option....then again, those machines aren't being used for DRM'd media (needing XP) or gaming, so still not a lot of incentive to upgrade.
| 5:48 pm on Jan 6, 2010 (gmt 0)|
I found the fix to my issue it maybe the same fix for a bunch of older programs not working correctly in 7.
| 9:03 pm on Jan 15, 2010 (gmt 0)|
"I'm never leaving XP."
Jeez, a couple of decades ago I made a similar claim about Lotus123. Then Windows came out and I had to learn how to click a mouse.