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Microsoft To Launch Decision Engine 'Bing' June 3
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Msg#: 3921827 posted 4:56 pm on May 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

Microsoft To Launch Bing [discoverbing.com]
So, why a new search engine? Why the new name? Why now?
We took a new approach to go beyond search to build what we call a decision engine. With a powerful set of intuitive tools on top of a world class search service, Bing will help you make smarter, faster decisions. We included features that deliver the best results, presented in a more organized way to simplify key tasks and help you make important decisions faster.

And features like cashback, where we actually give you money back on great products, and Price Predictor, which actually tells you when to buy an airline ticket in order to help get you the best price – help you make smarter decisions, and put money back in your pocket.

[bing.com...]

I'm sure we'll all 'bing' it next week.

 

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 3:32 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

Here's a handy summary of recent reviews of Bing:
[thebigmoney.com...]

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 4:09 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

Bing is the Chinese word for disease, to harm, injure, worry, insult, is it not?

LOL, MS Bites the Wax Tadpole!

Actually, from Wiki:

Bing is a Chinese term used to describe wheat flour based Chinese foods with a flatten(sic) or disk-like shape.

So apparently it's more like what I would call "Hush-Puppies."

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 6:07 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

Any thought on how quickly this project will die? Bets?

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 9:24 pm on May 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

It means several different things according to my pocket thesaurus.

Flatbread, disease and when used without object, obsolete.

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 12:05 am on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

They must not plan on rolling this out in China or targeting the Chinese market. Bing is the Chinese word for disease, to harm, injure, worry, insult, is it not?

I saw that blog post too. Someone got that in a fortune cookie. LOL
The romanization bing can be used for a number words in Chinese, including a family name. Here are several other translations of Bing in Chinese [nciku.com]

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 12:10 am on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

They are going after "health" in a big way

Who isn't?

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 1:56 am on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

The article on thebigmoney basically said the same thing I've been saying:
Search engines have long been used as gateways to Web content. But as a decisioning engine, Bing introduces a search engine that actually delivers Web content without sending users away to other destination sites.

Which means that other aggragator sites are completely cut out of the middle.

Watch many business models on the web start to be aggressively put out of business when the top dogs start to use their monopolistic central point of access to reshape the landscape.

I'm not much for legislation in technology but I think the SE's are reaching the point (past it) that they need a leash that restricts how far they can go before it's too late.

[edited by: incrediBILL at 1:56 am (utc) on May 30, 2009]

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 9:43 am on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

What about OfficeLive? will be that integrated with bing or what? or will be renamed again into officebing?

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 5:47 pm on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

Watch many business models on the web start to be aggressively put out of business when the top dogs start to use their monopolistic central point of access to reshape the landscape.

Microsoft hasn't had much luck with the "monopolistic central point of access" approach. It wasn't even able to make that work with the original MSN back in 1995.

Even Google, the big Kahuna of search, isn't a "central point of access"--especially in the Facebook era.

It seems to me that, with Bing, Microsoft is conceding its loss in the search wars. Bing is a symbol (or maybe you could call it a "symptom") of Microsoft's diminished expectations in search.

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 5:50 pm on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

I vote this thread be moved to the foo files too. The Google Wave article that just got scrapped from WW front page at least offered some new developments, Bing seems to be an affiliate laced mashup on steroids with little new (my opinion).

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 6:18 pm on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

I disagree this is not important. June should be an educational month for those with worthwhile web traffic. How much traffic can a 100 million dollar marketing campaign send your way--or not.

Here's what happens: Bing is released. Press gets all excited, and the ads flow. And your web site is listed...

1) nowhere. Or

2) right at the top.

Do you care?

WW watches the Google ranking change. Should we watch Bing? I dunno. I'm interested in what everyone here finds out.

And, in June, how much will Bing's ranking change day by day? (A lot, I'll bet.) Does it matter?

So, my June blessings to everyone here: May everyone at WW have the number one spot on Bing and may they see tons of new visitors.

Or, at least may the huge ad campaign and press attention to Bing cause the vast majority of your key customers not find your prime competitors and leave you forever.

Not that there is anything wrong with foo.

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 9:14 pm on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

Does "Bing" have an unique spider useragent or is just the generic msnbot?

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 9:15 pm on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

My mistake, the Wave article (the most recent article) is showing on the front page 5 places down and the bing article is apparently stickied up top. I'm really hoping none of the 100 million ad campaign money is earmarked for getting blogger reviews or god forbid 10's of thousands of RT's.

A thinking engine should have creative ads instead of paid "talk about me" articles right?

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 10:13 pm on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

This HAS to be the most entertaining thread I've seen in a long while!

Thanks folks. Hope I'm still laughing in six months.

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 11:58 pm on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

Facebook keeps showing me "Chandler Bing" trying to make me a "fan" - but seriously, I am looking forward to testdrive it before forming an opinon.

So far, I have seen a Wired review that makes me cringe. Looking at their screenshots, I fear that a lot of joe-sixpack users will form their decision right on the results page. In other words, you'll need some bling to look good on bing...

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 4:52 am on May 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

IanCP - Forrester Research marketing analyst Shar Van Boskirk got to take it for a test ride, here's Shar's review
Search engines have long been used as gateways to Web content. But as a decisioning engine, Bing introduces a search engine that actually delivers Web content without sending users away to other destination sites.

So, if having your content/reviews etc appear on bing without a chance to bring a visitor to you is appealing you just might be laughing. Let's hope not.

edit: if Shar is right i'd expect Bing to get sued for stealing content. They must have thought it through, can't wait to see the plan.

[edited by: JS_Harris at 4:54 am (utc) on May 31, 2009]

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 5:14 am on May 31, 2009 (gmt 0)

We will see.

Actually the funny bit was the clever repartee from so many terrific posters here.

As for whether micro$ effectively steals our content, as I said we will see, but 67 years of hard living has taught me to only worry about things I can personally control.

And M$ sure ain't one of them that's certain.

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 5:58 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Bing definitely deserves to get sued. They are taking large chunks of content and displaying it, even from pages that have a noarchive meta tag.

Given how little traffic it sends me, which will now be even less, I am tempted to block it in the robots.txt.

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 6:34 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Bing definitely deserves to get sued. They are taking large chunks of content and displaying it, even from pages that have a noarchive meta tag.

Bing isn't scheduled to open until later this week. How are you determining this?

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 6:50 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Well let me try and summarise a lot of opinion so far:

a) Mr. M$ is going to have 100% of SE traffic.

b) Mr. M$ is going to display all of our "original content" without anyone going to our sites. We're going to be "cut out".

c) Mr. M$ is going to "steal" all our affiliate traffic and income.

Have I got the "hysterical" element above right so far?

A+B+C above = Asif

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 6:55 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Bing is open (try it). I have been trying keywords for which I expect me site to rank near to the top.

An interesting feature is that it determines your country from your accept languages header (at least in my case).

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 7:29 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Ian,

1) Bing is showing lots of our content on the SERPS, not just snippets. I have verified this, as I already said.

2) This will mean fewer visits from Bing users.

3) If Bing gets more share than MS has got so far we will lose traffic.

4) If 3 happens, then Google and Yahoo might well copy them and start showing more in the SERPS as well.

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 8:16 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Let's use this time to reflect on last year's big success, Cuil.

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 8:24 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

"Bing is open (try it)."

edit - seems to be working for me after a refresh, quite a sleek interface and cannot for the life of me find these comparison things

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 9:03 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

OK, I can see it from Japan now.

My first impression, without being signed in, is that's hyper-local. My location and language settings are determining the outcome of searches.

I don't see the comparison features discussed either. Perhaps we have to wait until June 3 for the announced opening?

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 9:55 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hyper-local is right! Here in Thailand searches appear to be based on your IP location. However using the advanced search options for other countries seems to work pretty well.

No sign of the comparison stuff either, so far.

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 10:08 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Just tried it ..
from France ..
I select "world results" ..my keyword spammiest website is #1 and #2
So I select "In english" the results are the same ..:)
So I select from France ( site is hosted in US ..but is in french and english ..both versions are equally keyword spammy ..google loves them :)) ..
Results are ..positions 1,2 and 3 are sites which link to me ..and my site is named and linked to in their description used to make the "result paragraph" shown by "bing" ..position 4,5 and 6 is google .fr entry for my site position7 is afrench canadian site ..hosted in ca which links to me in it's description :))

The search box on bing auto populates with my previous search history ( going back about 1 month ) even though my search engine of default use on this machine running firefox on linux is google .

Verdict ..they are easy to game ..( and I must clear search history more often ) ...

Oh ..and no "comparison stuff" either ..yet

edited for typos

[edited by: Leosghost at 10:15 am (utc) on June 1, 2009]

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 11:07 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Try selecting "US" (top right). It's vastly different.
The results are much better, very akin to Google results.

I reckon BING is going to give Google a big headache now.

Some guy mentioned this on a blog.

"I did some further digging to see how Microsoft could come so far in search in such a relatively short period of time. It seems they’ve been buying their way into search.

Since 2007, their spending on search technology is enormous. Examples:

August 13, 2007 - aQuantive (Digital marketing (aka adwords/adsense)) $6.3 billion
April 25, 2008 Fast Search & Transfer (enterprise search) $1.1 billion
April 14, 2008 Farecast (Online search software) $75milion
August 11, 2008 - Powerset Semantic Search
September 28, 2008 - Greenfield Online Search and e-commerce services - $485 million"

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 12:09 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Is this the Bing 'comparison site'? It's the shopping link [ciao.co.uk...]

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 12:10 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the hint np2003 :)
Tried that ( US ) still at #1 :) .( proxy in to google as a US "searcher" shows that too :)..the rest looks ..like you say substantially different ..( only 2 other results on the frontpage are to me ..and 3 on page 2 )..

They could have made the fact that clicking that top right link opens a Geo choice page more obvious though ..an arrow pointing downward to indicate multi choice ..like they have on the "extras" link ..right next to "country" would be better ..

The choice of actual geo switching is a major bonus though ..interface is clean ..very pleasant ( for a while there they were showing me photos in the entire page background ..thats just stooped and the interface has gone to softgradient and a small photo top left with their logo ..click on "preveiw" gets asilverlight display ..again very pleasant very "sticky ..

For Joe and Jane public ..who dont have pages that they are trying to rank..and who just want results ..this could indeed give google pause for thought ..

they are using CIAO.fr for their french "shopping" comparison/search too

[edited by: Leosghost at 12:15 pm (utc) on June 1, 2009]

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Msg#: 3921827 posted 12:21 pm on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

BTW Ciao.fr accessed directly from France now has top nav ..to windows .live msn, ..bing.com etc all over it ..

ciao ( everywhere ) is still ostensibly owned by German company ciao.gmbh ..but one wonders if MSN has bought in or is merely partnering ..

anyone seeing what shopping comparator is being used elsewhere world wide ? are they linked ..or have they all become MSN parteners / properties

[edited by: Leosghost at 12:21 pm (utc) on June 1, 2009]

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