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Microsoft's Ballmer Talks About The Market, Google and Yahoo
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Msg#: 3594902 posted 9:59 am on Mar 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

"We're in the game, and we're the little engine that could, just working away, working away, working away," Ballmer told interviewer and former Apple employee and evangelist Guy Kawasaki. "In online, yeah, it's Google Google, Google. I'd say we're the underdog." That's a far cry from as recently as last year, when Ballmer called Google "cute" and a "one-trick pony."

Microsoft's Ballmer Talks About The Market, Google and Yahoo [informationweek.com]

 

Josefu

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Msg#: 3594902 posted 11:07 am on Mar 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

In other words, "We are wee and innocent; help us beat the bad guys".

Nothing could be further from the truth. Even their press releases are tuned to pander to the sentiments of the uninformed public and MS fanboys.

The above interview's "underdog" message is a reality, but not at all in the context in which it was presented: As far as product quality is concerned, MS is the underdog, because although they are top in financial resources, they have never been able to advance on a complete innovative idea of their own. So yes, if they continue in this strain, they will be doomed to follow those who gain success from their own ideas. And yes, at least in recent years, they're chugging, chugging, chugging.

blaze

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Msg#: 3594902 posted 11:31 am on Mar 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

If by underdog they mean they don't totally control every last rich revenue opportunity to do with computers, yes, they are the underdog.

However, seriously, considering they own pretty much 80% of the software industry (apps and OS) revenue, they are hardly the underdog.

mikedee

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Msg#: 3594902 posted 3:39 pm on Mar 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

I think maybe he was drunk or had too much coffee that day... A few reports I have read also suggested that.

[istartedsomething.com...]

Watch how he returns to his chair, either he is intoxicated or all the shouting lowered his blood oxygen levels.

He also started abusing one developer who had a macbook air. He grabbed it off him and started shouting about "wheres the dvd drive", its not really the way a CEO of Microsoft should be behaving. Call it eccentric or 'animated' but I think he was playing a bully to stop questions about Vista.

[itworldcanada.com...]

He also said that they were going to beat Google at search even if it kills him. Clearly drunk.

zafile



 
Msg#: 3594902 posted 5:23 pm on Mar 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

Josefu: Microsoft has "never been able to advance on a complete innovative idea of their own."

That's the only and favorite remark used by IBMers, freetards, good ole amigoids, and the rest of the anti-Microsoft crowd.

What's more innovative than the risk Microsoft took when it decided to make the WHOLE WORLD switch to only use graphical user interfaces in computers.

If it wasn't because of Microsoft, we'll still be summerged in the dark ages of character based applications. Read the opinion of a freetard about this at [linuxfocus.org...] : "When I saw Windows 95 for the first time I thought 'We are lost, we have lost the edge! We completely neglected the interface and the have beatem us up'. I doubted we would ever got close to that."

I think the term "Google threat" is overhyped also within Microsoft.

The day in which most computers are turned on and most of their underlying technology [operating system, productivity apps, Internet browser] come from Google, then, only then, the term threat could properly be associated with Google.

The fact today is a computer isn't productive unless it comes with an operating system, productivity applications and an Internet browser all made by Microsoft.

The Google toolbar (which everyday becomes more evil) it's still a pretty small piece of software only useful to Web site owners wanting to know the "popularity" of their Web sites. The thing today can't find files ending with extensions such as .exe and others.

So not only Steven Jobs suffers from the "reality distortion field". It seems the syndrome affects everyone who associates the word threat to Google.

While Google has the resources ($) to become the next Microsoft, will it actually happen?

I don't think Eric Schmidt and the 2 Google founders have the capability to overcome the "reality distortion field".

[edited by: zafile at 5:38 pm (utc) on Mar. 8, 2008]

grelmar

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Msg#: 3594902 posted 5:24 pm on Mar 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

mikedee:

That's Steve on a "calm" day.

Check out the infamous "Dance Monkeyboy" video from a few years ago:

[video.google.ca...]

Or his "Crrrrraaaaazzzzzyyyy Steve's Discount Windows" ad:

[video.google.ca...]

It's going to be fun to watch MS careen around like a mad elephant under the head of Ballmer when Gates leaves this summer. Bill was always the cool hand between the two, and Ballmer was the leashed pit-bull.

anshul

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Msg#: 3594902 posted 7:23 pm on Mar 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

While Google has the resources ($) to become the next Microsoft, will it actually happen?

I don't think Eric Schmidt and the 2 Google founders have the capability to overcome the "reality distortion field".

I agree with this post. Internet is hyped. Microsft is deep-rooted. Though they overlooked Internet in 1990s but they've potential. Things I think nonsense is their scattered Web sites, services: MSN, Hotmail, Live, Spaces, Live ? Messenger, Passport.. blah! blah!

Google has instinct and specifics. This clearly distinguishes them from Web efforts of MS, Y!. They really did great and build a huge company on Internet advantage. However, there is science and technology beyond Web. Free software and services is a delusion. They need soon find ways to sell software? to customers and earn $$. I guess, hurdles under way, are more to Google than to Microsoft.

BTW, who is leading in context of PDAs, cellphones and iPhones? I don't know but its Google again here, then its good for them.

Josefu

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Msg#: 3594902 posted 7:54 pm on Mar 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

"What's more innovative than the risk Microsoft took when it decided to make the WHOLE WORLD switch to only use graphical user interfaces in computers.

No. Microsoft's only "innovation" there was to understand that a first-time user will "learn" - and become hooked onto - the first thing he sees when he turns on a computer. The graphical interface already existed then in better versions. Even in MS's first years, it was second rate to Apple - and the graphical GUI interface was not their idea, nor even Apple's; Yet Apple took it one step further. MS has always been lagging one (if not more) step(s) behind.

[added] I also don't like Balmer's attempt at warping reality - of course Google has never been in the in-computer software or desktop market, so any attempt at comparison there (between MS and Google) is moot. Of course MS sees itself being outplayed in a niche that they overlooked, but oversight (or lack of visionary at all) has been quite redundant through their entire history. They've got the bucks, but what they need is a change of attitude. It's the quality of the product that sells for the long-term, not its pitch.[/added]

[edited by: Josefu at 8:08 pm (utc) on Mar. 8, 2008]

zafile



 
Msg#: 3594902 posted 8:00 pm on Mar 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

"Google has instinct and specifics."

Not today. Just take a look at the Google toolbar.

If you try to search a .exe file on the Internet from the toolbar, the toolbar tries to find a Web site ending with .exe . The same with other file extensions.

Even the Google engineers are beginning to show the effects of the "reality distortion field".

Bill Gates said in the late 1990s:

"... and certainly in the world of technology, take every technology company that failed, their sins, their big mistakes were all made in the years of their greatest profitability."

Examples from the past:

IBM - Protected it's mainframes to the point it messed up its PC business.

Apple - Didn't licensed its operating system to OEMs.

Lotus - 1-2-3 Release 3 took years to be released. Finally, when it was released, character based spreadsheets were considered a dinosaur. Still, Lotus was last to come up with a GUI version of 1-2-3 for Windows.

Unix companies - Too many versions of Unix prevented it from becoming a standard.

Example of the future:

Google - Lost its edge trying to become the next Microsoft.

zafile



 
Msg#: 3594902 posted 8:19 pm on Mar 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

Innovation comes in many flavours...

Microsoft's GUI applications became popular because the company didn't try to make them difficult to use.

Other companies failed because their applications were made difficult to use so third parties could sell other products such as books or addons.

In the 80s and early 90s, software companies made you buy expensive books just to learn how to use their applications.

Microsoft was the first company to make the best use of hypertext in their Windows Help system. No need to buy a book just to learn how to use Word for Windows. Help was just one click away.

That didn't happen with Tex or Latex.

You had to buy expensive books just learn the basics of these applications. Even after buying books, the damned things were difficult to install and use.

On the other hand, Word for Windows was easy to learn thanks to the Windows help system and it was easy to install.

Josefu, wether you like it or not, that's innovation!

zafile



 
Msg#: 3594902 posted 8:28 pm on Mar 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

Microsoft has "the bucks, but what they need is a change of attitude."

I know, it's hard to get rid of the "reality distortion field". Just ask the real Steve Jobs about it.

Don't you think IBMers, freetards, good ole amigoids, and the rest of the anti-Microsoft crowd are the ones who need to change their attitudes!

Josefu

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Msg#: 3594902 posted 8:41 pm on Mar 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

"Redacted" post for content distracting from the issue at hand. Apologies, gentlemen.

[edited by: Josefu at 9:02 pm (utc) on Mar. 8, 2008]

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Msg#: 3594902 posted 9:17 pm on Mar 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

Microsoft will continue to try to use their pseudo monopoly in other areas (such as browsers) to try to increase their market share in areas where they did not yet ruin the landscape.

Although they were convicted of these illegal practices and received record breaking fines for it; in the end they still did it and still took away choice of the end users, even of those choosing not to follow them.

night707

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Msg#: 3594902 posted 8:25 am on Mar 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

Comparing the webmastertools of Google with MS leaves Ballmer and his lot way behind.

Comparing the style and visual quality of corporate E-mails from Google with MS leaves Ballmer and his lot way behind.

Comparing the search results of Google with MS leaves Ballmer and his lot way behind.

Comparing Mozilla, Firefox with IE leaves Ballmer and his lot way behind.

Comparing real video, Flash and media player leaves Ballmer and his lot way behind.

mikedee

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Msg#: 3594902 posted 1:31 pm on Mar 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

Don't you think IBMers, freetards, good ole amigoids, and the rest of the anti-Microsoft crowd

Why do you always use that quote? Is it written above your desk or something? If I were you I would come up with some better arguments, constantly repeating this is just making you sound dumb.

[webmasterworld.com...]

[webmasterworld.com...]

zafile



 
Msg#: 3594902 posted 8:40 pm on Mar 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

About the above comments on Steve Ballmer...

Ballmer clearly has an energetic and pretty funny way to express his feelings:

[math.sfu.ca...]

I think that energetic and funny personality was key to help Microsoft get to where it is today.

By the way, did you guys see the second part of Triumph of the Nerds?

[amazon.com...]

That second part is titled Riding the Bear. Not only Ballmer is energetic and funny but he rides bears quite well...

Do you understand why Ballmer referred to Google as a "cute" and "one-trick pony"? Watch the second part of Triumph of the Nerds to have a better perspective.

creeking

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Msg#: 3594902 posted 9:04 pm on Mar 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

mikedee, nice research. :)

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