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Microsoft's Web Effort Will Proceed With or Without Yahoo
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msg:3578719
 12:02 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

Microsoft Corp plans to invest heavily in Web search to compete against Google Inc, even if it fails to acquire Yahoo Inc, the company's chairman Bill Gates said on Monday.

Gates, who called Microsoft's offer for Yahoo "very fair", said Google is the only company with "critical mass" in Web search. Microsoft needs a bigger piece of the market to create a more competitive and profitable Web search business.

"We can afford to make big investments in the engineering and marketing that needs to get done. We will do that with or without Yahoo," said Gates in an interview with Reuters.

Microsoft's Web Effort Will Proceed With or Without Yahoo [uk.reuters.com]

 

mikedee




msg:3578733
 12:38 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

Bill Gates : The man who totally missed the significance of the internet, claimed it was a passing fad.

Steve Ballmer : The man who killed Netscape and tried but failed at killing Google.

They are both walking dinosaurs - like their search engine (and web browser). Why do they need a big marketshare in order to create a competitive product? Neither Google nor Yahoo bought their way into the search market.

walkman




msg:3578773
 2:11 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

mikedee,
Bill has been right enough times to make up for it. I wish I was 1/10000th as right as him.

This could be MSFT's way of making Yahoo starve first and then the offer seems much better. Maybe they'll give them a few more months and say, "see, you still haven't improved, and your stock is down."
A few billion saved for a few months is not a bad deal.

mikedee




msg:3578776
 2:24 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

Bill has been right enough times to make up for it.

For example?

Windows was never his idea, he just marketed it in a very aggressive way and relied on the slowness of the legal system to exploit a monopoly. Abusing his monopoly has not helped the industry at all.

When has he ever stood up with a vision which he has seen through? Voice activated computers anyone?

jatar_k




msg:3578777
 2:26 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

You can never discount Microsoft and the threat they represent. There have been other times where they were surpassed and then made some of their better attacks from a "position of weakness".

They have the resources to be a contender.

I will be very happy to see anyone become legitimate competition.

mikedee




msg:3578785
 2:37 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

There have been other times where they were surpassed and then made some of their better attacks from a "position of weakness".

Any examples there either? Unless you mean the xbox - but I don't recon $4 billion investment with no need of return is a position of weakness.

anshul




msg:3578789
 2:41 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

"But we also see that we'd get there faster if the great engineering work that Yahoo has done and the great engineers there were part of the common effort," said Gates, ..

Its so much difficult to develop search technology and other Internet software (say like, browser?) for world's biggest software sellers. Hmm.

jmccormac




msg:3578801
 2:49 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

Actually developing search technology and software is a lot different to developing something simple like a browser. With a browser you only have to worry about displaying the data. With search you have to classify the data and put it context. Right now, Microsoft's search offering sucks and it is so far behind Google and Yahoo that it is no longer a laughing matter. The move on Yahoo was a good one but it was rebuffed. And even Rupert Murdoch wants in on Yahoo's action in the hope that he can trade up Newscorp's holding into Yahoo stock.

Regards...jmcc

walkman




msg:3578820
 3:04 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

Bill has been right enough times to make up for it.

For example?

I take it back. He has no clue at all. Nothing was his idea and others did all the work.

rogerd




msg:3578841
 3:28 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

I think this is the other side of the vise MSFT would like to squeeze YHOO with. Either sell out to us for a bunch of cash, or prepare to make your own massive investments to compete with us. The more Microsoft can create the impression of risk for an independent Yahoo, the more attractive their offer looks.

BillyS




msg:3578849
 3:34 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

>>I take it back. He has no clue at all. Nothing was his idea and others did all the work.

In fact, he didn't even hire the folks that did all the work. It's my understanding that he wanted to hire other people!

walkman




msg:3578852
 3:42 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

Ok BillyS,
if he was so wrong, and others so right...how come he is "Bill Gates" ? Talking and knocking him down is easy, people should just outdo him.

On Yahoo: Tim is on MSFT's side. Their stock will rise whereas Y!'s will go back to $20 putting pressure on them to capitulate.

mikedee




msg:3578858
 3:51 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

"Two years from now, spam will be solved,"

[informationweek.com...]

Couldn't resist...

Everyone outdoes Microsoft but they find themselves in Ballmers firing line to be executed. Name one product which Microsoft makes which people have to have as soon as they see one.

Bill Gates made all his money because of the deals he made with OEM's (laced with threats of killing their business if they do not comply). He has then spent the next 20 years defending that monopoly at the cost of the industry. We have many examples of him trying to influence the market to make themselves the sole supplier of everything related to computers.

Competition makes him nervous, hence the list of 'x' killers that Microsoft has been producing in the last 10 years.

If he had vision and the ability to follow through on promises then we would all be talking to our computers and answering video calls on them by now.

Where are examples of world changing technology invented at Microsoft? I don't think people will be queuing up to buy one of those table computers.

walkman




msg:3578861
 3:57 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

talk is cheap. Results do matter. Here's the one product [finance.yahoo.com...] .

While he's making tens of billions, people are going nuts over twitter. Yeah, I am convinced he is a loser.

mikedee




msg:3578891
 4:34 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

I suppose that depends on how you organize the figures

[finance.yahoo.com...]

The 'market' prefers companies that have ideas for how they are going to grow. MSFT hasn't grown since Windows 98. Past performance is not an indicator of future performance and all that... The stock market value of a technology company is very important since a lot of developers become millionaires through share options.

You might also want to see the history of General Motors (pre and post 1980). Just because you are making money now, does not mean the world cannot change around you.

walkman




msg:3578897
 4:40 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

last on this topic: There can be more then one successful company or businessman. In fact there can be millions of them. Also, the fact that Ford now is losing money and might go bankrupt does nothing to the legacy of Henry Ford.

My pet-peeve is when someone tries to diminish what others have done. My answer: "If it was /is so easy, do it yourself."

ebound




msg:3578982
 5:48 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

My answer: "If it was /is so easy, do it yourself."

Very well put!

Hater: (Urban Dictionary)

"A person whose jealousy of another person success or achievements makes them verbally nit-pick any flaws no matter how small or just make up flaws in order to somehow try and belittle the successful person."

"A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person."

anshul




msg:3578999
 5:58 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

getting personal now :- ))

SEOMike




msg:3579025
 6:20 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

Ironic how Yahoo Finance has been used to point out information about Microsoft in this thread. ;)

mikedee




msg:3579040
 6:31 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

When even the fans cannot name one example of how Microsoft has improved the world then things are really bad. They have just milked their cash cow, lied under oath and generally broken the law in order to protect their high profits.

I suppose you have the same opinion of drug dealers and people traffickers, they are rich and successful - yet the government keeps hating on them!

If it makes you feel better, the whole world is jealous of your freedom too...

Dzordz




msg:3579305
 9:29 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

OK, talk about C# who took a big chunk of Javas market.

Talk about Silverlight, no matter how currently infantile it is, and the fact that it will be huge.

The new Core Server installation of Windows Server 2008?
Advancement of PowerShell?
The Office 2007 interface? (If you ask me best interface ever done anytime).

I work with both open source (an ex Java programmer, user of Linux) and everyday with MS technologies and can confidently say they do some good stuff.

zafile




msg:3579360
 10:09 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

"I suppose you have the same opinion of drug dealers and people traffickers, they are rich and successful - yet the government keeps hating on them!"

mikedee, it seems to me you are posting in the wrong forum!

Don't you think in forums like groklaw.net you'll find IBMers, freetards, amigoids, and the rest of the anti-Microsoft gang. This crowd will really appreciate your non-sense!

TammyJo




msg:3579393
 10:23 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

Can someone clarify what Microsoft will gain from Yahoo's search department...yuk.

zafile




msg:3579410
 10:32 pm on Feb 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

"Can someone clarify what Microsoft will gain from Yahoo's search department..."

Search patents, specially those related to bid-for-placement products and pay-for-performance search technologies.

walkman




msg:3579531
 1:14 am on Feb 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

>> Search patents, specially those related to bid-for-placement products and pay-for-performance search technologies.

already licensed by Google (paid with Goog stock before IPO)

BillyS




msg:3579579
 2:24 am on Feb 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

Ok BillyS,
if he was so wrong, and others so right...how come he is "Bill Gates" ? Talking and knocking him down is easy, people should just outdo him.

walkman - just for the record, I was kidding. No one puts together an empire like Bill Gate's without doing a lot of things the right way.

Google is a great company too. We'll have to check back in 20 years to see if they're as successful as Microsoft - which has dominated the industry for over 20 years.

And as for Yahoo. They've outgrown their founder's abilities.

jmccormac




msg:3579605
 2:45 am on Feb 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

The acquisition of Yahoo would provide Microsoft with a lot of intellectual property (the patents mentioned by Zafile above). It would also provide Microsoft with a working search engine infrastructure. At the moment, Microsoft is so far behind the other players that it can easily get beaten by Tier 2 search engine players. It just cannot compete with the Tier 1 players like Google and Yahoo. Instead it ends up fighting with ask.com for a bit of the market. Though the people in Microsoft search engine research may be good, they are not in the same class as those in Google and to a lesser extent Yahoo. Microsoft is still trying to index the web in the same stupid link-based manner that worked circa 1998. However the web is magnitudes bigger now and far more dynamic than it was then. Microsoft does not have enough historical data to build a good index. It does not have enough data to filter PPC and spam from its index in the way the other players have. In short, Microsoft does not have much of a clue when it comes to the business of Search. Buying Yahoo would provide that clue.

Regards...jmcc

Dzordz




msg:3579703
 5:32 am on Feb 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

Microsoft has to some extent built/bought a marketing machine, by buying Yahoo it gets the sheer volume of page views thus possible clicks of which it will get a full share and not just a piece of the pie as Google gets with adSense (Off course G gets a lot of ads clicked on its own sites too).

dakuma




msg:3579746
 7:07 am on Feb 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

I just don't see the two companies as a good fit. Too much money IMO and I think they would be better served by developing their own tech.

Their map application (MS) is looking more like a Google product (and I mean that as a compliment) while Photosynth is like nothing I've seen, such a cool interface.

I like the Office "Ribbon" interface as well, but absolutely love the Vector IDE with EXpression Blend and Design! After using Fireworks for 10 years I recently gave Adobe Illustrator and Corel X4 a whirl (for better Vector tools). Then I tried Expression Design wow. And I don't care that they bought a company then took two product cycles to get to this point, bottom line, the tool rocks!

Which brings me back to my point, how the hell can MS take a Yahoo and turn it into an Expression Design?

kartiksh




msg:3579841
 9:59 am on Feb 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

talk is cheap. Results do matter. Here's the one product [finance.yahoo.com...] .
While he's making tens of billions, people are going nuts over twitter. Yeah, I am convinced he is a loser.

Walkman i am completely with you in the all post you made for MSFT and Bill. Good to see him making strategic moves in public as i believe lot of them are within his cabin. :-)

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