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Planning an Upgrade to Windows 7 with Upgrade Advisor
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Msg#: 3959101 posted 5:39 pm on Jul 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

Find out if your PC can run Windows 7
Can my PC run Windows 7 [microsoft.com]

Important: The Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor Beta is a pre-release version and is available in U.S. English only. While we consider this a stable and high-quality beta, it's not the finished product.

It seems you're fine on the upgrade path if you're running Vista, however, if you're running XP, it seems that Microsoft is advising you to consider an upgrade path of a new PC.

There's a link on that Microsoft page to the upgrade advisor program, which is a beta.

[edited by: engine at 8:27 am (utc) on July 25, 2009]

 

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 2:46 am on Jul 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

I had tried this a while ago. This version has much better system advice. It gave me clear instructions about upgrading RAM, reinstalling software drivers after the upgrade, and even listed potentially problematic software.

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 10:10 am on Jul 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

just upgraded seemlessly from Vista to Windows 7. So far I am very impressed.

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 11:10 am on Jul 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Shouldn't new OS releases be more efficient? It does not make sense to me why it would require more hardware. If you have sufficient hardware for XP, there should be no reason you need more just for an OS.

I can see if you want to utilize the latest video and gaming software, perhaps you might need to look at your system. But an OS should come out of the box capable of running as lite or heavy as needed. Don't assume bloat is what we all want.

I have heard good things about W7, but I'll probably stick with Ubuntu for the foreseeable future.

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 5:27 pm on Jul 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

If you have sufficient hardware for XP, there should be no reason you need more just for an OS

True. I'm shocked that it wants me to upgrade my old MS DOS 3.3 machine, 256K of RAM and that 10GB HD is more than enough for anything! ;)

Seriously, you can't expect a new OS to use the same hardware configuration of an 8 year old OS, hardware and software minimum requirements move forward.

FWIW, I tried the upgrade advisor on my Vista machine and it was completely happy with everything.

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 7:00 pm on Jul 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

MS DOS 3.3 machine, 256K of RAM and that 10GB HD

Surely you meant 10MB? :)

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 10:41 pm on Jul 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

You get the point. Machines from 5 years ago are not far off from common specs in new computers today. The need for horse power has greatly declined. Most folks use a web browser for 80% of their apps. With a majority simply using word processors and email clients.

Why is such a bloated OS needed? Why can't it adapt both ways? Linux will run on a machine with 256mb or 8gb of RAM.

Just doest make sense to me. Hardware keeps getting more efficient. Less power consumption. Less space. More performance.

Cars are built to run on less gas, recycle energy, smaller engines.

I thought I read this version was going to run on any hardware? Lean and mean. Perhaps it was just hearsay in these forums.

Let's hope it is better than Vista with lipstick.

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 11:18 pm on Jul 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

The need for horse power has greatly declined

That's not true at all with more video, flash, games, etc. all requiring more horsepower to make them display fluidly without staggering and even running concurrently.

Why is such a bloated OS needed?

Forget the bloated OS, my browser is currently using 500MB all by itself, sometimes over 1GB.

Besides, when the whole world went digital imaging the need for mass amounts of memory just to perform a simple edit drove up the minimum specs.

The OS is the least of the bloat, everything has bloated due to performance requirements so maybe you can cut back the OS a little, the days of 2GB computers are pretty much history except for the lowliest of netbooks.

Heck, even netbooks come with 2GB for a mere $399 so why suffer with 1GB for $299?

I'd bet by xmas '09 that the 2GB models will be selling for $299 and 1GB for $199.

At these low prices it's costing me more for my time, at a client billing rate, to have the conversation than to actually buy the extra GB of memory. ;)

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 12:43 am on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

Video and flash both run on my smart phone. My smart phone runs a very lean OS (by Google). It does not require massive hardware nor memory.

Yes, gaming is unique requirement, which is why they make specific gaming spec'd machines. If you are into gaming, you need horsepower.

the days of 2GB computers are pretty much history except for the lowliest of netbooks.

I run a 2 GB Thinkpad on Ubuntu. It flies and does every thing I could ever ask of it as fast if not faster than my wife's Vista/4GB of RAM.

99% of the user population does not need more horsepower... they need more diskspace for their music, videos and images and faster internet... but not more horsepower. The trend is moving away from horsepower (ie - smart phones).

I'll be happily using this 2GB laptop with Ubuntu for many more years to come with my free OS upgrades... you can happily pay for your MS upgrades and new laptops every few years... to each his own. =)

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 1:49 am on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

Video and flash both run on my smart phone. My smart phone runs a very lean OS (by Google). It does not require massive hardware nor memory.

Comparing the few pixels in a phone vs. large monitors with high resolution is completely apples and oranges, as the amount of data being moved, smoothing algos and other techniques required to make HD quality video on these big displays cannot be compared with a handheld toy.

Don't forget, those handheld toys have the horsepower most desktops had 4-5 years ago.

The trend is moving away from horsepower

Guess that's why most of the new PCs on the shelves these days are all dual-core or quad-core 64-bit cpus like mine is.

Smart phones can play a video, so could my desktop 5 years ago.

However, neither could show multiple videos including a live TV feed simultaneously while recording video using DVR software, crunch a spread sheets and more all at the same time.

I'll stick with horsepower and probably upgrade again in a couple of years just like I have been since 1980 with 6502, RCA 1802, 8080, Z-80, APPLE ][, APPLE 3, Commodore-65, IBM-PC clones with 8086, 80286, 80386, 80486, Pentiums with dual-core, quad-core and more.

Heck, my servers are Linux and I just bumped them up to 2x Xeon quad-core with RHE 64-bit.

If you're OK with old gear that's fine, I like the speed.

Let's just agree to disagree because neither side is 100% right or wrong, merely a different POV.

However, if everyone didn't keep upgrading the computer industry would die a horrible death in very little time and we can't have that now can we?

Heck no, we don't even have hardware fast enough for true AI yet so I'm thinking we'll keep upgrading for a while.

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 2:48 am on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

Operating systems are doing more work than ever. The personal computer is moving to a multimedia system.

It would be silly for Microsoft not to push the hardware performance envelope. The more they can push hardware, the more features they can offer in the operating system.

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 3:52 am on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

It would be silly for Microsoft not to push the hardware performance envelope. The more they can push hardware, the more features they can offer in the operating system.

And that is great, but why not support a lighter machine as well?

[edited by: bill at 6:47 am (utc) on July 27, 2009]
[edit reason] Please stay on topic [/edit]

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 5:48 am on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

I consider this oh duh!

System Requirements
Supported Operating Systems: Windows 7; Windows Vista; Windows XP Service Pack 2

What if I were running win98SE, which I do, on an "almost" latest machine, which it is.

I use win98se for a variety of valid reasons. Not that I will be considering Windows 7 anyway, I was just curious.

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 6:11 am on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

My wife tried the upgrade advisor on her laptop today and it said she needed to upgrade a couple of Vista service packs yet she is completely up to date, not a good sign.

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 10:56 am on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

It would be silly for Microsoft not to push the hardware performance envelope. The more they can push hardware, the more features they can offer in the operating system.

and the more revenue MSFT generates from sales of new hardware that come bundled with their OS every time (obviously an OEM "non-transferable" license so they can continue to do this next time as well).

That the applications one uses (e.g. real-time video editing) requires horsepower in the machine: sure. But why would the OS that's only a facilitator not be as lean and mean as possible?

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 12:38 pm on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

Here's is a really stupid question. If I upgrade XP to Windows & do I have to reinstall my applications?

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 5:56 pm on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

But why would the OS that's only a facilitator not be as lean and mean as possible?

It's called design by committee.

If you want something lean and fast you assemble a small team, do what needs to be done, keep your head down and get some fastastic code.

However, once you start piling PhDs in the project that want to turn everything into computer science project, then include all the hardware and software manufacturers into the process (most make atrocious drivers), start to accommodate multiple languages, higher level programming interfaces, etc. it just bloats out of control.

For instance, I'm a lean mean C coding machine, imagine my horror and shock the first time I compiled a standard "print("Hello World");" in C++ and it spit out a 100K executable.

Now, imagine my horror when a team took 30K of C code and put a C++ API "wrapper" on it to make it cross platform and suddenly we have a 500K behemoth of code, starting to get the picture?

Modular class oriented programming environments may make reusing existing code easier but it also causes massively inefficient bloat in the programming environment itself.

Now you know.

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 8:42 pm on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

For instance, I'm a lean mean C coding machine, imagine my horror and shock the first time I compiled a standard "print("Hello World");" in C++ and it spit out a 100K executable

Memories! Actually I thought mine was 250K

[added] The name Borland rings a bell but was a looong time ago.

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Msg#: 3959101 posted 5:07 am on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

If I upgrade XP to Windows & do I have to reinstall my applications?

There is no automatic upgrade from XP to Windows 7. The only upgrade Microsoft is offering is from Vista.

However, despite the perceived time saved via an in-place upgrade, I would highly recommend that anyone moving to a new Microsoft operating system perform a clean install! You will be happy you did.

A fresh, clean install of a new operating system and programs will run better. You don't have any cruft left over from the old OS. These in-place upgrades have to deal with incompatibilities of your existing software and drivers, etc. I've never seen a trouble-free upgrade like that. In fact, that's likely the cause of a lot of Vista's bad image. A lot of XP users did the in-place upgrades and opened their own cans of worms. Do everyone a favor and make a clean install. Even if you have Vista now, do a clean install.

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