| 3:44 pm on Jun 25, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I still haven't tried windows 7 but a few ppl I know have and are saying 'it's like the new XP!' Taking that with a grain of salt but shall be defo trying it soon
| 4:08 pm on Jun 25, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I'm ready to try Ubuntu... Reading through the pricing options gave me a headache... ;-)
| 5:50 pm on Jun 25, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Ozymandias, have you actually tried it yet? Honestly I was anti-Microsoft for a while but with Office 2007, Bing.com, and Windows 7 I think they are headed back on the right track. Windows 7 truly works well, doesn't crash, much faster and less resource intensive than either Vista or XP... As far as how it looks, I could care less, I use the old style (Windows 2000) appearance-style although Windows 7 can be made to look more like Mac if that's your thing. Linux is great but a lot of important (to me) software doesn't run on it as well as hardware running with less hiccups on Windows than linux in most cases - once again, in my personal experiences.
| 6:24 pm on Jun 25, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Seems like it should be a free upgrade for those of us who bought into Vista.
| 7:23 pm on Jun 25, 2009 (gmt 0)|
If you live in Europe:
It's actually priced really well, it's only £229 (ultimate version) in the UK. Hold on, wait a minute, they really do care about existing Vista users - their upgrade is a massively reduced price of £199.
They're so kind. And while you're installing your upgrade you can think about all the other people outside Europe upgrading for £0.00. (It's free)
The Professional version is £10 cheaper... like that's going to help.
| 8:45 pm on Jun 25, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Microsoft has always been ripping us off with their insane pricing. This is no different. I should have skipped vista altogether...
Avast! This be makin' me think of another upgrade plan!
| 9:18 pm on Jun 25, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I tried the beta and I'm using the release candidate right now. It seems to me that the release candidate is noticeably slower - more or less the same as Vista whilst the the beta felt more like XP. Also, the 64bit version seems no faster than the 32bit version, but I haven't run any benchmarks.
| 10:00 pm on Jun 25, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I tried Win7 RC and it is actually not bad. However, even if Ubuntu would cost twice as much, I would continue to use Ubuntu.
| 10:01 pm on Jun 25, 2009 (gmt 0)|
OK... a pre-ordered upgrade to Windows 7 Professional is USD $99.99 (which is 50% off). Not terrible for an upgrade from XP which I don't want but is clearly being forced.
I haven't played the video since I don't feel like installing Silverlight right now, and I'm not finding a feature comparison chart. What are the reasons, if any, that I might want Ultimate instead of Professional?
Also, my system is a 3.0 Ghz P4 w/ 2-gigs of RAM. Is Windows 7 going to be noticeably slower? Faster? The same?
I've been able to locate Vista drivers so far for all but 2 of my peripherals, which I haven't checked yet. Need to check out some software. I'm generally extremely reluctant to upgrade, but this doesn't seem to be as bad as expected. Also, I assume I can buy the upgrade to lock in the pre-order price and then install later when I've gotten these issues straightened out.
| 10:09 pm on Jun 25, 2009 (gmt 0)|
PS... Just found the features comparison chart [windows.microsoft.com].
The Ultimate gives you encryption and 35 languages for $20 more, but doesn't offer a half-price pre-order upgrade.
| 12:40 am on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)|
You could probably use TrueCrypt instead of the built-in BitLocker encryption that comes with Ultimate. However, those extra languages are going to be tough to give up for me. Having multiple languages installed on one PC has been great using the RC. I'm a bit torn. The pricing special on the lesser versions is quite attractive.
| 1:02 am on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)|
|They're so kind. And while you're installing your upgrade you can think about all the other people outside Europe upgrading for £0.00. (It's free) |
That's the price you have to pay for not getting IE bundled :). Consider it a browser tax.
| 5:22 am on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I'm using Win7 RC1 with VMWare Workstation Debian Etch on guest - multiple monitors one for each. Perfect setup as far as I'm concerned - I have to develop for my clients/visitors - they use windows so I have to too. I also have a Mac for testing - I like it for playing/browsing etc - but got so frustrated when I tried to use as dev machine - it's like linux with all the helpful bits made really difficult.
I agree with the sentiment that Microsoft is sending an "up yours" to European commission by hitting the consumers there with a no upgrade option.
Win7 vs. Vista - much cleaner - clearer to use - I can find the options to modify various things without having to google it, doesn't notify me about irrelevant junk constantly, icons and UI much easier - great job - I'll be buying some MS shares soon ;)
It's the OS that Vista should have been.
Anyone have a source for good bench marks?
I'm also a big fan of Linux distributions - if it wasn't for Adobe, my visitors/clients, games, etc etc - I would have switch permanently a long time ago.
[edited by: bill at 6:22 am (utc) on June 26, 2009]
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| 6:15 am on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)|
|Moderator's note: This thread is about pricing for Windows 7, not the joys of other operating systems. Feel free to start another thread if you would like to discuss another topic. |
What do people think about the pricing scale Microsoft has chosen? This is almost exactly the same pricing they used for Vista.
| 7:30 am on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)|
How restricted is a single language version? My XP operating system interface is US English, but I believe the language pack is free. I don't think I have the language pack for XP, but I can display most (if not all) European languages, and Character Map, while a pain to use, lets me enter accented characters and some special European characters.
Checking on Google and Wikipedia, I apparently can also view kanji and Cyrillic characters, though I don't believe I can create documents with these.
FAQs on Vista and Windows 7 say that these operating systems are not upgradable to multiple languages. But does this refer to the operating system interface and to document creation, or is this also a limitation on what I can display (and perhaps use Google to translate)?
| 7:42 am on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)|
The multilingual interface available with Vista and Windows 7 Ultimate versions is somewhat different than the language pack offerings. With Ultimate you can set the language for Windows for each login. For example, I have a laptop running Windows 7 RC, and on that laptop I have 3 accounts; English; Japanese; Chinese. If I log into the Japanese account the entire OS displays in Japanese. The Start Menu, dialog boxes, and software all performs the way it would on a native Japanese OS.
Language packs allow you to view content in the target languages and input text into browsers, word processors, etc. The core operating system language remains unchanged. With a language pack I could enter Japanese into a word processor using the language pack's IME, but my menus and interface would remain in English.
| 7:54 am on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I have been holding off purchasing a new computer for years waiting for Microsoft to get their act together. I was just about to switch to MAC and run Parallels. Please tell me Windows 7 will be the one I've been waiting for. I think my laptop could qualify for the Guinness Book of world records at this point.
I noticed major grumblings about the pricing upgrades. Microsoft should be bending over backwards to keep the customers they have left at this point. When will they ever learn?
| 9:33 am on Jun 26, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I don't know why they are wasting all their energies manufacturing new operating systems.. if you ask me, there is absolutely no need for a new OS right now. XP is doing just fine. Make XP more secure and move on. Why waste all your resources on new releases? Oh, I forgot; they need to somehow make money to sustain their livelihood.. but clearly.. there are so many other ways by which MS can make money than by trying to fool common people to upgrade to a software with useless features they are never ever going to use..
| 8:14 am on Jun 27, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Windows 7 pre-orders grab Amazon's top sales spots [computerworld.com]
June 26, 2009
|....The upgrade for Windows 7 Home Premium, priced at $49.99, immediately stormed to the top of Amazon.com's bestseller list. The $99.99 Windows 7 Professional Upgrade held the No. 2 spot in software, while Windows 7 Ultimate Upgrade, a $219.99 package that has not been discounted, claimed No. 4 as of 1:30 p.m. ET Friday.... |
| 8:41 am on Jun 27, 2009 (gmt 0)|
|...there are so many other ways by which MS can make money than by trying to fool common people to upgrade to a software with useless features they are never ever going to use. |
In general the pricing seems to be a few bucks less each step than the previous Vista segments. What I have seen of the Win7 is a more robust and SECURE platform than XP (which I love and have no immediate desire to upgrade at the moment).
The pre-release order option for the Home version does seem very good at Fifty Bucks. Even so, no hurry on my end. I'll wait until the hardware gets that much cheaper when it is necessary to replace a machine... and take my savings that way.
| 1:39 am on Jun 29, 2009 (gmt 0)|
For those worried about compatibility, try the Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor [microsoft.com], it will tell you if your machine is capable of running 7.
As for pricing, I've put in an order for Home Premium at CAD70 including delivery, at that kind of price it's a fair upgrade - however I may well have hesitated to pay full price - and I would have surely waited for SP1 too.
| 11:10 am on Jun 30, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Microsoft should upgrade Vista users for free as they have been the people who have borne the burden of a failed operation system.
Many people I know of had postponed their computer purchase to avoid Vista !
| 7:23 am on Jul 1, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I'd hardly call Vista a 'failed operation system'. It may not have won over all the critics, but it has worked just fine for many people.
There has been some noise made asking MS to give heavy discounts or a gratis license to users who purchased Vista Ultimate. That does make some sense as a lot of the promises made for that particular version have not been met.
| 9:27 am on Jul 1, 2009 (gmt 0)|
Vista may not be a failed operating system, but Windows 7 is little more than Vista with fixes. Internally, whilst Vista is version 6.0, Windows 7 is version 6.1, so on this basis, I would say all Vista owners should get a low-cost upgrade.
Given that few Vista-owners will pay to upgrade at current prices, my guess is that MS could actually make more money by offering low-cost upgrades. $15.00 for Basic (downloaded) ranging up to $35.00 for Ultimate would probably be near optimal. If time-limited (to 1st Dec) - it would also mean a large number of users would upgrade immediately.
| 6:53 am on Jul 4, 2009 (gmt 0)|
I'm ready to try Ubuntu... Reading through the pricing options gave me a headache... ;-)
poor guy now....