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Windows 7 = October 22, 2009
RTM date confirmed
bill




msg:3925695
 3:30 pm on Jun 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

As we'd speculated [webmasterworld.com]...Windows 7 will be available October 22.

Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 Timelines Shared at Computex [microsoft.com]

Today during a keynote address at Computex 2009 in Taipei, Microsoft’s OEM Division Corporate Vice President Steve Guggenheimer revealed that the company is confident with the progress made with Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2, and that as a result, Microsoft will deliver Release to Manufacturing (RTM) code to partners in the second half of July. Windows 7 will become generally available on Oct. 22, 2009, and Windows Server 2008 R2 will be broadly available at the same time.

“As we’ve said many times, quality is our primary goal,” Guggenheimer said. “We announce each milestone once we’re confident of where we are in the development cycle and that it is ready to be shared with customers and partners. We’ve received great feedback from our partners who are looking forward to offering Windows 7 to their customers in time for the holidays.”


 

grelmar




msg:3925873
 7:21 pm on Jun 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

And so Vista quietly begins its journey to the Isle of Forgotten OSes, nestled in amongst such illustrious companions as 98ME and OS2-Warp!

Sadly, it's legacy will nag at harried IT managers and PC service technicians for a decade to come, like other "forgotten" OSes. But just like its predecessors, no one will shed a tear as the rickety raft on which it sails diminishes in the distance into the fog and setting sun.

bwnbwn




msg:3925886
 7:37 pm on Jun 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

wow grelmar you should be a writer looks like you have the nack.

weeks




msg:3925955
 9:14 pm on Jun 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

wow grelmar you should be a writer looks like you have the nack.

His first draft read: DIE, DIE, DIE Vista, DIE!"

Future




msg:3925960
 9:17 pm on Jun 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

DIE, DIE, DIE Vista, DIE!"

:) :) :) :) :)
Smiley says it all.

[edited by: Future at 9:18 pm (utc) on June 3, 2009]

bill




msg:3926133
 4:27 am on Jun 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'm well aware that Vista isn't everyone's favorite OS, but you'll be happy to know that the Windows 7 kernel is taken directly from Vista. ;)

grelmar




msg:3926212
 6:42 am on Jun 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'm well aware that Vista isn't everyone's favorite OS, but you'll be happy to know that the Windows 7 kernel is taken directly from Vista. wink

Well aware. And it's all still based on the NT kernel. The key difference being NT actually, you know, worked.

Vista was a grand public Beta for Win 7. And the public even footed the bill. How nice of them.

I'm still waiting for the new relational database based file system (WinFS) that was supposed to be included with Vista, then Server 2008 (aka "Longhorn" by MS PR people, "Shorthorn" by critics who noted a definite lack of anything significantly new), then Windows 7... And now if you ask a MS PR flack about it, they just nod and smile and say "What new files system?"

I meant this one [en.wikipedia.org].

Oh wait, that was based RFS circa 2000(ish) which never materialized... Which was based on CAIRO, which was based on OFS...

Ok... I'm losing my hope of expecting much from Windows 7. I mean, this is a company that's been fiddling and twiddling on the same "new" file system for 20 years and still hasn't released it yet.

At least 7 doesn't have all those annoying widgets and notifications up the wazoo enabled by default. (At least the beta version didn't... Maybe in yet another grand stroke of MS "genius" they'll activate it all again right before they ship the infamous "Gold" DVDs to the OEMs.)

Leosghost




msg:3926350
 10:02 am on Jun 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

nice post grelmar :)
I have two machines with vista 64 pre installed ..no original discs just the recovery images on the HD ( french language ..brand new out of the box ) Acers ..from the very first boot they tell me in English ( 3rd pop up that shows up from the task bar within 30 seconds )that they are about to format "hard drive" and ask me to click here to start the process and say how I would like them to proceed :)) ..
I can't begin to imagine how many french people ( thinking they understand ) have "clicked here" ..and then "bricked" their brand new machine ..recovery image partition and all ..presume the same scenario in other non eng language markets ? half the pop ups and help files eng lang only ..

I bought the machines for the hardware spec at the price and acers are quiet ..vista 64 will only be used to run 3D apps ..Maya, Maya etc

One also wonders how they what security/wga system they are going to ship 7 with ...and how simple it will be to get around ..and how much chaos that will cause for the genuine buyers who find their OEM VLK's on the blacklist at tech support Redmond ..( and if they will have fixed the vital parts of the installed support/help files / messages in eng only )..no matter what your local language version of the OS is ..problem .

[edited by: Leosghost at 10:05 am (utc) on June 4, 2009]

httpwebwitch




msg:3926661
 6:05 pm on Jun 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

excuse me for asking this...

Will Windows 7 suck?

I have an average machine with an average allotment of memory, an average CPU. I bought it pre-installed with Vista, because no alternative was offered.

It is BRUTAL with Vista. blah blah blah, you've heard it all before. It idles at 80%, with nothing open and nothing running. Compare that to the machine I'm on right now, running XP, and my CPU is at 4%. and I have a dozen heavy apps running full throttle.

Will the suffering finally end, this October?

Laxon




msg:3926670
 6:21 pm on Jun 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

Is the beta still up? Install it and see if you like it. I have not tried it myself but many friends did and they say it is fantastic.

Gomvents




msg:3926756
 8:17 pm on Jun 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

httpwebwitch, I have a test machine with CentOS, Ubuntu, Windows XP Pro, Windows Vista Ultimate 64, and Windows 7 RC.

CentOS uses the least resources at idle, then Windows 7, then Ubuntu, then XP, with Vista being a hog.

httpwebwitch, what OEM did you get? Dell and HP for example add a bunch of their own crap which makes Windows even worse. I typically build my own machines or format whatever machine I get, buy a retail copy of Windows and install it fresh. Makes a huge difference!

Windows 7 will be in my opinion Window's best chance at redemption as it'll be much better than Vista and even better than XP.

Side note: I haven't had Vista crash since SP1 although it is a resource hog compared to XP or Linux.

Gomvents




msg:3926759
 8:20 pm on Jun 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

Leosghost, the new WGA, UAC will be called Trusted Windows Activation Technologies. I spelled it out because the acronym is profane. I'm hearing they may rename it to simply Windows Activation Technologies or WAT which is still funny because of how similar it is to "what?" as in "What the hell Windows? I just upgraded my ram!"

poppyrich




msg:3927850
 2:58 pm on Jun 6, 2009 (gmt 0)

Windows 7 is Vista 2.0. At least it won't be a nightmare with regards to updated device drivers.

Robert Charlton




msg:3928145
 7:47 am on Jun 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

Windows 7 is Vista 2.0. At least it won't be a nightmare with regards to updated device drivers.

Wouldn't this depend on when you bought your hardware?

I have no personal experience with Vista, but I've heard a lot of complaints from friends and technicians about it, a fair amount having to do with device drivers.

What's the status on "legacy" devices? Have the manufacturers done their part by now, or is there a chance I'll have to replace a bunch of expensive peripherals... things like heavy duty printers and scanners that work fine on XP... if I move to Windows 7?

bill




msg:3928172
 10:03 am on Jun 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have old printers and scanners that won't work with Vista yet. You'll want to look into the compatibility issue. If it doesn't work with Vista it probably won't work with 7 either.

kaled




msg:3928175
 10:17 am on Jun 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

Windows 7 is Vista 2.0

Actually, it's more like Vista 1.1, however it has a new name so that people who use Vista will pay for it rather than expect to get it free as an upgrade.
[pre]
Windows 2000 : Version 5.0
Windows XP : Version 5.1
Windows Vista : Version 6.0
Windows 7 : Version 6.1
[/pre]

Also, it's perhaps worth noting one of the tricks used to force people to upgrade from NT4 to 2000 - MS refused to add USB support to NT4 saying it was incompatible. However, an independent developer added support for flash drives thereby exposing that as a lie. (He later sold his website with many useful utilities to Microsoft.)

Kaled.

graeme_p




msg:3931558
 8:11 pm on Jun 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

Gomvents, resources at idle can be misleading, especially regarding memory usage. One of the KDE devs did some testing against Gnome and XFCE a few years back, and found that, although KDE was a comparative hog at start-up, it reused libraries and launched at lot of services when the desktop started, so the additional usage from launching more apps etc. was much lower - so it ended up being the most efficient in a fairly realistic test.

This is borne out by my own experience of KDE and XFCE.

httpwebwitch, if it makes you suffer, can you not use another OS?

Robert Charlton




msg:3933156
 7:47 pm on Jun 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have old printers and scanners that won't work with Vista yet. You'll want to look into the compatibility issue.

Thanks. Actually, it was something I didn't really want to look at, but it's good to understand that's what needs to be done.

Here's the Windows Vista Compatibility Center [microsoft.com]. It's pretty well organized, but I'd use site search rather than browsing to find a specific product. The huge number of products from each manufacturer suggests why ongoing support is so difficult.

Eventually, you'll get a link to a driver page on manufacturer's site. With luck, it might be the appropriate page. One of my scanner manufacturers seems to send me on an endless loop, where the purported Vista driver link for a scanner sends me to an old page that doesn't list any Vista drivers. Etc.

It's only time and money. Sigh....

bill




msg:3933241
 12:44 am on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

They have a very good collection of 32 bit drivers for Vista now. It's when you have the 64 bit version of the OS that driver support is a bit more sketchy. You really have to do your homework with the 64 bit version. That's going to apply to Windows 7 as well.

Robert Charlton




msg:3933270
 2:32 am on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

It's when you have the 64 bit version of the OS that driver support is a bit more sketchy.

Yes, I was noticing. I gather the 64-bit version of Windows 7 doesn't have a mode to support 32-bit drivers.

A question is whether I really need 64-bit. I suppose if I were doing some major video editing, it would come in handy... and maybe I might want it for Photoshop or Lightroom.

I don't see an easy upgrade path if I wanted to do it gradually.

bill




msg:3933279
 2:59 am on Jun 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

I've been running 64-bit Vista on my main workstation and performance wise it has been rock solid. The down side has been driver support. I have some old industrial printers and scanners that don't have 64 bit drivers and probably never will. I work around that by running a virtual machine and port jobs out through that. It's a kludge, but I like having the extra RAM option.

I gather the 64-bit version of Windows 7 doesn't have a mode to support 32-bit drivers.

Not that I've seen.

easy upgrade path

If you have a 64 bit processor and would like to add a silly amount of RAM then you can take advantage of the OS. Otherwise it may not make sense.

youfoundjake




msg:3972376
 5:24 am on Aug 15, 2009 (gmt 0)


I gather the 64-bit version of Windows 7 doesn't have a mode to support 32-bit drivers

I did find this on Microsoft's site that addresses that..

One of the support engineers does say "Windows 7 XP Mode is an updated version of Virtual PC that includes a pre-configured version of 32bit Windows XP."

[social.answers.microsoft.com...]

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