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Taking Bets: When will Windows 7 be out?
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Msg#: 3911522 posted 2:42 am on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

Microsoft has finally given some official word that Windows 7 will indeed be released this year [news.cnet.com]. The company line up until now has been an early 2010 release.

What's your take? How soon do you think they'll get this version of Windows out the door?

 

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 4:11 am on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

According to The Register that date will be August 2009.

[theregister.co.uk...]

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 11:41 am on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

August may be a little early, imho, but Q4 this year is probably a target they'd like to meet.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 1:28 pm on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

Now that release is being discussed, a decision will have to be taken as to whether vouchers will be provided to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7, otherwise sales will fall as people wait for the new OS.

Kaled.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 2:14 pm on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

Please please don't rush it out simply to shore up the Share price....

I would rather wait until Q1 for a really robust OS than a tatty old thing that needs to be updated every time I turn my machine on...

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 2:50 pm on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

So far I have only heard good things from beta testers. The general consensus seems to be that it looks like Vista, but it's a solid and fast as XP.

We shall see.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 2:56 pm on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

Acer, the world's second-largest manufacturer of PCs, last month nailed the Windows 7 launch date as October 23.

i am thinking they are trying to release before black friday, so they don't have to let go of the first block of pc's cheap.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 3:27 pm on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

sgietz, it looks like Vista without the UAC annoyances and some of the other Vista annoyances. On my test machines it's actually faster than XP and I'm told it'll use SSDs and modern CPUs even better as well.

BaseballGuy



 
Msg#: 3911522 posted 4:02 pm on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

. The general consensus seems to be that it looks like Vista, but it's a solid and fast as XP.

I'm on 7 right now....it is really buggy and the "blue screen" that was so famous with the version of windows prior to XP has come back.

Do not want.

T_Miller

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 4:09 pm on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

We still have all our "work" machines on XP as we've found no reasons to go to Vista. My IT partner (who despises Vista) is testing 7 now and has nothing but good to say.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 4:57 pm on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

We still have all our "work" machines on XP as we've found no reasons to go to Vista.

ditto

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 7:58 pm on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

BaseballGuy, what's your hardware like? I haven't experienced anything like that with 7 on any pc or laptop I installed it on, even an old Pentium 4 box I have with 256MB of ram!

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 9:46 pm on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

If you download the free version, will it run until you can buy the final shipped version? - Does it turn itself off?

Or is there a gap between the two which means your system dies?

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 11:20 pm on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

The download version is supposed to run until June next year... at which point it pops nags up every two hours (or something like that).

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 1:10 am on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

I wonder if it will run on a typical netbook; such as the many which won't manage Vista?

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 1:19 am on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

>>The general consensus seems to be that it looks like Vista, but it's a solid and fast as XP.

That's funny, I've read a lot about Windows 7 and I've yet to see a comparison where it's faster than XP. The consensus I've seen is that each Windows release has been slower than the prior. This happens because MS realizes they can continue to push more software at faster hardware.

The knock on Vista was the nag screens and drivers. I've yet to see a BSOD, which I have on XP.

My experience is that Vista was better than XP, which was better than 2000 Pro, which was better than NT.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 5:44 am on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

I despise Vista. Ran it for 3 months, gave up - and reverted to XP.

I am running Windows 7 on a P.O.S. laptop to test and I absolutely love it. I can't say enough good things about it. It's easy to get around, it looks beautiful, and it's quite fast (Even on crappy hardware). I actually like the graphics and UI more than my MAC.

I think M.S. found their way again with this O.S.... assuming it doesn't shut down your PC on the last day of 2009.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 6:18 am on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

I've been running 7 off and on for months in a virtualized environment, and I haven't had any problems so far.

As for performance, the benchmarking indicates it will actually run faster than XP, in spite of being bigger. It takes better advantage of multi-core processors and the leaps and bounds overall chip architecture has made since XP came out. DirectX 10 for graphics... Just a whole lot of code optimization to take advantage of the improvement in hardware that's happened in the nearly decade since XP came out.

They're also getting rid of some of the bloatware that has crept into windows over the years. Things that nobody really uses anyway like Windows Movie Maker.

The Kernel is bigger, as far as I can tell, but like I mentioned, this is more than offset by the hardware optimizations.


I wonder if it will run on a typical netbook; such as the many which won't manage Vista?

There's a couple of answers here.

Answer 1 is yes, it will run fine on a netbook. Haven't tried it myself, but people I trust who have tried it on netbooks say it runs as well as XP.

Answer 2 is yes, but it will be crippled. MS has said they're going to release a "Netbook Edition" of Windows 7. They realize that they can't charge the same OEM fee for netbooks and have the devices compete for market against Linux driven netbooks (and that's a pretty scary thought for MS to contemplate), so they're cooking up a special crippleware version of windows 7 that will, among other things, limit the OS to running a max of 3 apps at once.

A pretty dangerous choice, but they're painted into a corner. If they charge full price and deliver the full OS on netbooks, then they'll be crushed in the market by open source alternatives, solely based on price point. If they release the full OS, at a reduced price, on netbooks... Well, how can they justrify that to their business partners? "Our OS costs X in most cases, unless you install it on cheap hardware, in which case we'll only charge half as much." Can't you just see the gymnastics hardware makers will go through to justify the cheaper price?

Overall, if the production release of Windows 7 holds true to it's current form, it might even tempt me to go back on my pledge to never build/buy another Windows box. I dunno.

The only reason I keep a Windows system anymore is video games. And mostly, I'm too busy for video games lately, and when I have the time, casual flash games usually fill the void.

Oh, and the digital video one of my rockets captures is only comprehensible by Windows. Strange but true.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 6:35 am on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

Oh, and I forgot to mention something pretty significant.

MS is going to release a "Power toy" like app that creates an XP "compatability mode".

Windows Team [windowsteamblog.com]

I've done a fair bit of reading on this in some tech blogs, unlinkable here.

What it looks like they're going to do is have a very specialized Virtual PC appliance that allows semi-transparent installation of legacy apps inside an XP VPC "wrapper". The apps will leave an icon on the desktop, or the taskbar, or start menu, or whatever, just like normal applications. When launched, they'll run inside a normal looking window.

But this is all smoke and mirrors around the VPC appliance, which is what's really handling the application and the interface between the application, the underlying OS (Windows 7), and the hardware.

It's an interesting bit of kit.

It's also interesting that MS is finally realizing that there are plenty of reasons why people and corporations need to maintain legacy applications. If they'd figured this out for Vista, it would have faced much wider adoption.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 11:24 am on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

I wonder if it will run on a typical netbook; such as the many which won't manage Vista?

There will be a Windows 7 Home Basic version that will be offered by most Netbook makers.

I used Windows 7 beta on Acer Aspire one netbook with 1 GB RAM and found no major issues in 2 months of use. Performance wise it was on par with Win XP home on the same netbook.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 2:51 am on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

I hope the word on 7 continues to indicate a solid OS. I am desperately needing to replace my primary machine and am looking to go very high end on a new custom box. Vista pushed me back and have been making do (very unhappily), and replacement is near critical. If I can nurse it along until 4th quarter and 7 is getting high marks I may wind up with a good Christmas season buying opportunity; especially with the power user budget. Simply running too many powerful programs at one time and the machine isn't worth upgrading. It cost a truckload of money at the time, as will the next, but if 7 is solid somebody is going to get a huge order. If 7 sucks I don't know what I will do.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 3:13 am on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

Any time you buy, do it whole hog with no regrets... you'll be using it 5-7 years! Topic is sliding a bit. I posted Register's "August" date, but I think...and this is based on my own tests of the Beta and RC versions, Win7 is ready for an October rollout. The real question is whether the OEMs and driver writers will be ready at the same time. Failure to cover at least 75% of available hardware could result in a "oh no! another vista!" backlash. Somehow, this time around, I don't think MS will make that mistake.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 12:55 am on May 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

I say October

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 1:08 am on May 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

How's this for a catch 22, as of Win Vista and including Win 7 Ms no longer includes the HD drivers or nor will going to mfr's site cause them to be available. Instead it is the Motherboard suppliers chore to include it. If they somehow aren't there at least in the case of MSI the only way to get them is through there "live update", however MS wants a "raw" disk so b the time you find out that Win 7 isn't going to recognize your HD, it's too late to get them. Probably another reason to go to Linux or at least go back to WinXP(even if not offically suuported anymore)

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 2:49 am on May 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

Late October is my guess as well - but I'd much prefer mid-September since I have to buy a laptop around then :-)

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 3:04 am on May 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

Given that I am looking at a big dollar setup, I am hoping to limp through to USB 3.0. I've been reading that the first Service Pack for IE7 will probably include compatibility, so will need to last long enough to buy a system that is ready for it. That should give them time to shake out IE7. How far behind can the first fixes and Service Pack be:)) Hopefully the hardware will be ready for new systems in my time frame. My primary box has given its lifespan and more. Just a little longer on life support.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 4:48 am on May 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

IE7? You mean Windows 7, right?

The Windows 7 kernel is the same as Vista. Hardware compatibility issues will be minimal with this release because any hardware that now works with Vista should work with Windows 7.

MS has been trying to get people out of the "wait for the first Service Pack" mentality. The Vista service packs were evidence of this. they really didn't add any functionality. They were more like cumulative roll-up packages of all the patches and security fixes.

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 7:36 am on May 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

As far as i konw according to The Register that date will be August 2009.
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[edited by: engine at 8:21 am (utc) on May 30, 2009]
[edit reason] See TOS [/edit]

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Msg#: 3911522 posted 5:37 am on Jun 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

Windows 7 to launch October 22 [news.cnet.com]

Microsoft confirmed on Tuesday that it is planning for Windows 7 to hit retail shelves and start showing up on new PCs on October 22.

I guess Acer's slip up was the real deal. ;)

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