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US Department of Transportation Bans Windows Vista, Explorer 7, and Office 2007

 2:32 pm on Mar 3, 2007 (gmt 0)


In a memo to his staff, the DOT's CIO Daniel Mintz says he has placed "an indefinite moratorium" on the upgrades as "there appears to be no compelling technical or business case for upgrading to these new Microsoft software products. Furthermore, there appears to be specific reasons not to upgrade."

Among the concerns cited by Mintz are compatibility with software applications currently in use at the department, the cost of an upgrade, and DOT's move to a new headquarters in Washington later this year. "Microsoft Vista, Office 2007, and Internet Explorer [7] may be acquired for testing purposes only, though only on approval by the DOT chief information officer," Mintz writes.



 2:38 pm on Mar 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

Cue the transport related puns...

I'll go for the first.

"Microsoft Product Roadmap questioned by DOT"


 3:10 pm on Mar 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

This sentiment appears to be growing amongst Windows users I've been speaking with. I was going to upgrade and do some testing and was advised not to due to the amount of programs I have that are not compatible with Vista.

[edited by: jatar_k at 4:02 pm (utc) on Mar. 3, 2007]
[edit reason] requested spelling fix [/edit]


 3:44 pm on Mar 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

It's funny because the CIO thinks he can decide. Wait till Bill Gates start making a few calls to congressman.

And, if their computers break, Unisys or Lockheed Martin will be glad to fix them for $12 billion :)


 4:26 pm on Mar 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm seriously considering upgrading my Windows XP to Linux!


 4:59 pm on Mar 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

It's not just the CIO of DOT. Almost no federal agency, especially the DOD, DOE, DOL have upgraded to Microsoft Vista, Office 2007, or Internet Explorer 7.

Like Mintz stated, so many government applications rely on Windows XP and Windows 2003 Server systems. The feds won't even entertain the idea of upgrading right now.


 8:22 pm on Mar 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

The fact is if you don't have a machine for testing purposes then there is no reason to upgrade right now. It is completely useless to upgrade your main systems right now. Vista is still new and the rest of the world needs some time to catch on. In the months/years to come XP will be a thing of the past and everyone will be using Vista...

...and talking about the next Microsoft operating system scheduled to launch...

...and people will still continue to say Microsoft is about to crumble and say they will soon be off the face of the earth...

...and people will continue to verbally express their disgust with Microsoft products, but will continue to knowingly use their products at least 95% of the time...

This is the history of Microsoft. They are probably the most hated Blue Chip company, but they are a blue chip, which means they are here to stay for many years to come (even if it takes a seat in the background).

Daniel Mintz will eventually eat his words


 11:28 am on Mar 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

Warning!: gripe alert!

My home XP computer shows signs of motherboard breakdown, and I was therefore forced to order another on Friday last. Chose Dell.

All Dell desktop machines come with Vista on the website. Phoned the (business) website to order same desktop, but with XP:

  1. XP costs an *extra* 35 GBP ($70).

    (may I have it with no OS, then, and use my existing OEM XP?)

  2. No.

    (what if I want to install Linux?)

  3. Buy it with Vista and reformat.

    (I thought that the US had made anti-competitive rulings against Microsoft?)

  4. (no comment)

The main issue for me with Vista is that M$ has stated that XP is the last version of Windows that will offer backwards-support for previous versions of Windows. I also opened my conversation with the sales chap (in India, natch) with the line: "I've no desire to be a Beta-tester for Microsoft".

I ordered the machine with XP, and paid the extra.


 2:51 pm on Mar 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

The DOT is right on the money as Vista support is a complete fiasco. My wife just bought a new laptop pre-loaded with Vista and our best friends also just got a new Vista machine as well, and we're all the latest Vista victims.

We're having problems with everything from specific HP printer drivers not yet available for Vista to DreamWeaver malfunctioning with no new version to fix the issue.

To make matters worse, I've got "upgrade" software for Office and other programs that I've been upgrading forever, with the originals from Win 3.x or Win 95 that you couldn't install in the first place to perform the upgrade for an upgrade version.

Who cares how pretty Vista is if you can't print, build a web page, or upgrade your software?



 5:43 pm on Mar 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

After seeing Dell's prices on their XP machines, I recently bought a Gateway machine through their "Small Business" line. XP SP2, no regrets.


 12:50 am on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Semi-related news-


Is Dell getting sick of dealing with the Vista upgrade deal or is it just talk to get some leverage over Windows at a vunerable time?


 1:46 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well, the biggest problem to competition for Windows is the fact that companies like Dell grant microsoft that monopoly position.

The success of microsoft has been borne out of the desire to be monopolistic and Vista is simply attempting to further enforce this.

If Dell get 100,000 requests to have a linux option, it should really work with that and might well benefit much more in the long term.

The basic install of Vista is an obvious attempt by microsoft to bundle it with as many new PCs as possible so that cusumers are forced to upgrade and pay microsoft more money to have a useful system.


 2:39 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

The basic install of Vista is an obvious attempt by microsoft to bundle it with as many new PCs as possible so that cusumers are forced to upgrade and pay microsoft more money to have a useful system.

What's wrong with MS trying to sell its operating system and making a profit? Most businesses don't work on a charity basis. Generating profits and making the shareholders happy is pretty standard operating procedure in the corporate world.

The issue being discussed here is a government agency deciding not to upgrade to Vista. That's an understandable reaction if other mission critical software won't work with it. That's an IT Dept. decision. I doubt they were overly concerned with Microsoft's business practices or perception thereof.


 8:51 pm on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

What's wrong with MS trying to sell its operating system and making a profit?

Nothing whatsoever, as long as the playing field is open to others to join in.

The question then becomes, er, what others? The offer of Vista, or paying extra to get XP, is not exactly an "option" in the strict, free-enterprise, meaning of the word.

If the market is not open, then we are talking monopoly. Again.


 12:25 am on Mar 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

Dell's pricing of operating systems is their own marketing decision. It may not seem fair, but that's not dictated by Microsoft. You're free to go buy a white box from another vendor and install whatever OS you like.

Anyway, all this monopoly chat is off topic. What about the DOT decision to stick with XP? Is this a tack other companies will be taking?


 1:53 am on Mar 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

This is a total non-story. If the DOT had said something like "having tested and reviewed Vista extensively, we have decided it is so good that it must be installed on all our computers within three months, replacing them where necessary" that would have been a story.

Most institutions that use Windows have learnt it is wise not to be early adopters of new versions.



 2:03 am on Mar 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

Most institutions that use Windows have learnt it is wise not to be early adopters of new versions.

That's a wise move with any OS - Windows or other.


 3:55 am on Mar 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

This is a total non-story.

It's a link-bait topic that's for sure. I agree that it's just sensationalizing the processes that IT departments always go through when new software comes out. Large companies and government offices are notorious for their glacial uptake of new technology anyway. (The majority of my company just upgraded to Office 2000 last year.)

What is interesting is the early trend indicators that seem to show Vista will have a slower uptake than many expected...if these types of articles are any realistic gage.

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