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PCWorld Body Slams Vista
Brett_Tabke




msg:3258364
 12:53 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

This is definatly one to read if you considering purchasing Vista:
[pcworld.com...]

But it's time for some tough love, people: If your PC can't run Aero, you have no need for Vista. Period. On machines that aren't Aero-capable, the rest of the OS will run slowly enough that you're better off sticking with XP until it's time to buy a new Vista PC. So why does Home Basic exist? So Microsoft can say that Vista costs "as little as $100."

What is most surprising about this is that PCWorld has long been a strong microsoft supporter. hmmm, if PCWorld is saying things like the above, I have to wonder if the empire is crumbling?

 

bill




msg:3258407
 1:35 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't think this article ranks too high on the scathing scale, but it's certainly not painting Vista in the warm rosy glow of MS marketing-speak. Some of the complaints come across as growing-pains issues. There were similar complaints with XP renaming and moving some functions around. Given a bit of experience with the OS I would expect many of these issues to fade. Also device drivers fall into this category as well. The hardware makers will catch up soon enough. Part of what I read here is early-adopters syndrome.

Other issues are more serious, like pricing. A lot of the coolest features seem to be reserved for the most expensive versions. I don't think many will be thrilled with the virtualization policy either. (That alone is a good excuse to play with *nix, at least virtually.)

I wish they would have backed up their link-bait opening item, Home Basically-There's-No-Reason-to-Buy-This. Their criticism about why not to buy the Home version isn't too well backed up. OK, it's slow. Slower than what? On what systems and hardware? I think they could have made more impact by fleshing that out a bit.

BillyS




msg:3258418
 1:42 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have to admit, the article left me with a "so what!?" feeling.

jwolthuis




msg:3258428
 1:48 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Anyone who has run Aero gets the, "Gosh, this is cool" feeling for the first three hours, then it really doesn't matter.

The 3D flip feature is cool... the first few times you use it.

But to judge a new OS based on Aero? Weak.

kaled




msg:3258434
 1:55 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Sadly (and expensively) I will be purchasing a new laptop to run Vista for testing and development purposes.

Does any one know for sure the answer to this question - if I buy an OEM copy of VISTA-64 does it also include a VISTA-32 disk? I'm hoping to dual-boot XP/XP64(trial version)/VISTA/VISTA-64 and maybe Win 2000 and even 98/ME if I can get the drivers.

I'm sure I read somewhere than VISTA-64 includes a VISTA-32 disk but I've been unable to find that site again or find confirmation anywhere else.

Kaled.

europeforvisitors




msg:3258438
 2:02 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I wouldn't call the article a "body slam." It's merely a summary of "The Most Annoying Things About Microsoft Vista," which is probably all that's left to say about a product that has been hyped by PC WORLD and its competitors for the last year or more.

stroudtx




msg:3258468
 2:31 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Since they stole most of their design from the mac, why not get a mac and run boot camp for windows XP when you need windows only programs. I have both and vomit when I have to use my XP Thinkpad (which is a very nice machine) vs. my mac.

Mike

trinorthlighting




msg:3258485
 3:09 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have a new HP touchsmart with vista and I really do like it. I think it runs a lot smoother than XP does and with the way they integrated the windows media center it is sweet.

aeiouy




msg:3258494
 3:20 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't really understand the article. The biggest stumbling block to running aero is a graphics card. Other specs are not nearly important, and the assertion that if you can't run aero, the OS will run slow is simply not accurate.

Of course I stopped looking at PCWorld to educate me on PCs back in 1986.

koan




msg:3258518
 4:07 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

This is a follow up to their article "Windows Vista: 15 Reasons to Switch", so it's not hugely critical, they're just balancing it with a look at annoyances.

[pcworld.com...]

europeforvisitors




msg:3258522
 4:14 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Since they stole most of their design from the mac, why not get a mac and run boot camp for windows XP when you need windows only programs. I have both and vomit when I have to use my XP Thinkpad (which is a very nice machine) vs. my mac.

I often vomit when I use either my Mac or my Windows PC. To cure the nausea, I drag out my trusty Xerox Star, which was the inspiration for Apple's Lisa and the Macintosh. Now, if only I could get XP applications to run on it... :-)

incrediBILL




msg:3258528
 4:20 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Of course I stopped looking at PCWorld to educate me on PCs back in 1986.

You got me beat.

I stopped looking at PCWorld in the 90s when I listened to my marketing guy tell one of their "journalists" word-for-word over the phone what to say in our product review and that's exactly how it showed up in the article.

Maybe MS isn't buying enough ad space at the moment...

[edited by: incrediBILL at 4:20 am (utc) on Feb. 21, 2007]

CritterNYC




msg:3258545
 4:50 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yeah. Aero is cool for the first few minutes. If you want XP to feel new, throw a new theme on it. You can grab royale if you like the blue (it's from Windows Media Center Edition). Or you can try the newer Zune theme (it's black with orange highlights). I use a Royale theme modded black myself.

If you want a couple extra features so you can feel new, grab the Alt Tab replacement from Microsoft which shows screengrabs of the apps. Or an open source one like TaskSwitchXP.

WebDon




msg:3258562
 5:40 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

...and the assertion that if you can't run aero, the OS will run slow is simply not accurate.

I don't think they are saying it would run slower because you because you couldn't run Aero. I think they are saying that Home Basic is mean't for the lower end hardware (i.e. existing hardware that someone might want to try to upgrade) and that it would still run slow because even in it's 'slimmed down' state Basic can still be a resource hog.

bill




msg:3258570
 6:06 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Home Basic does have significantly lower system requirements [microsoft.com] than the Home Premium / Business / Ultimate versions of Vista. However, those minimum requirements always seem a bit low to me.

If they wanted something that works best on low end hardware then they should have added Vista Starter to the mix. Vista Starter is only for emerging markets, but that's the version of Vista that's supposed to work with low end hardware...it's also a lot cheaper.

Lexur




msg:3258600
 7:39 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Maybe I was too busy adding content to my sites but (thanks CritterNYC) today I discovered Microsoft's Powertoys and, sincerely, I'm amazed.

Take a look (just those that didn't knew): [microsoft.com...]

[edited by: Lexur at 7:40 am (utc) on Feb. 21, 2007]

the_el_man




msg:3258698
 10:48 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

To be fair, the whole flip 3d thing etc. is pretty old. I had it on Ubuntu about 2 years ago. Can you even have multiple desktops on Vista? Its the best thing about Linux. I see Vista atm as nothing but Windows trying to look pretty, to take girls and eye candy whores away from Macs. Obviously everyone will be on vista in 2 years or so, and everyone will forget XP like 98.

oddsod




msg:3258700
 10:55 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Huh? After so many versions of Windows people still haven't learnt to wait for a couple of years before upgrading to the "latest" version?

Lexur




msg:3258701
 10:59 am on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Can you even have multiple desktops on Vista?

Yes. You can have it even in XP.

Take a look on the PowerToys.

Angelis




msg:3258748
 12:21 pm on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

One tip I would give everyone is make sure you have a lot of RAM otherwise your virtual memory will get hammered.

I have 2GB in my machines at the moment but I am going to upgrade it to 4GB so my hard drive doesnt explode with the constant virtual memory use.

512mb graphics card and a dual core 4200 processor just so you know the specs of the machine. Even that cant handle Vista too well... If you have anything lower than what I just stated dont bother trying it.

RussellC




msg:3258806
 2:18 pm on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I am running a guinea pig system here with Vista on it. It is a Dell Latitiude D620 notebook. Core Duo 2.0Ghz, 1gb ram and a 256MB video and it runs all my apps just like XP did. Using photoshop, illustrator, dreamweaver, IE7 and Outlook all at the same time runs perfectly fine.

justablink




msg:3258873
 3:11 pm on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

The PCWorld article is quite negative, but that's the theme.
I've been using the Ultimate version for 2 weeks with some heavy programs, and I have no complaints. I use a dual core, with 4GB of memory.
My biggest surprise was on install; not a single problem. It took awhile, but every device works.
It won't take long for a PCWorld article hyping the benefits, as it has done over the past year.

Praise = advertising dollars.

Justablink

Brett_Tabke




msg:3259013
 4:44 pm on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

> The PCWorld article is quite negative, but that's the theme.

PCWorld - has historically been a new operating systems from microsoft Cheerleader. I am trying to find the article they wrote about Windows ME (called it something weird like a "must update")

zafile




msg:3259020
 4:51 pm on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

"'Let's face it-the world is so non-technical,' he concluded with one of his standard 'technophilic' laments. 'That's what this announcement reinforces for me. People are so non-technical, they actually listen to that stuff with a straight face.'"

That's a comment from Bill Gates in an article published by Computer Reseller News in November 14, 1988.

While the comment was directed to an announcement made by Next Inc, it still applies to today's non-technical people.

If your computer has the resources, upgrade to Vista.

Otherwise, stick with the operating system that's best for your current hardware.

Ironically, from the same Computer Reseller News article, said Bill Gates: "This industry is based on good products, but the press wishes it was based on conspiracies. They should all work for detective magazines or something."

Clark




msg:3259470
 10:18 pm on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I was manager of tech support for a company once and they got their vaporware reviewed in a major business journal. And I do mean MAJOR. Funny thing is, not a single line of code was written for that product then or ever. Our marketing guys made up the whole product from thin air, top to bottom. That really blew me away and increased my already healthy dose of skepticism to most of what I read in journals.

pageoneresults




msg:3259527
 11:01 pm on Feb 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></HEAD>
<BODY></BODY></HTML>

I get a blank page in IE7 when following the link to that article, anyone else?

gibbergibber




msg:3259575
 12:04 am on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

--I often vomit when I use either my Mac or my Windows PC. To cure the nausea, I drag out my trusty Xerox Star, which was the inspiration for Apple's Lisa and the Macintosh.--

Thank you! Apple has a history of "inventing" things that already existed, and they've continued that proud tradition with the iPod and iTunes.

bill




msg:3259634
 1:17 am on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

I get a blank page in IE7 when following the link to that article, anyone else?

The PCWorld article? Nope. Works fine on my IE7, FF, and Opera. I see the code glitch, but it's rendering for me.

disgust




msg:3260748
 8:45 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

most of the reasons I was previously looking forward to vista didn't include aero at all.

in fact, despite the fact that I can easily enable aero, I have no intention of doing so.

it's the small fixes that I like, and that I've always liked with windows updates. sometimes the things are so small that you don't notice them until you revert from your current OS to the previous one.

things like powershell, real symbolic links (instead of shortcuts), etc, are infitely more appealing to me than glitzy bloat.

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