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Ready or Not - Here Comes Microsoft Vista
Brett_Tabke




msg:3235858
 3:13 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

[news.yahoo.com...]

Microsoft is ready to begin consumer sales of its new Vista operating system just after midnight tonight. The software giant is putting its considerable marketing might behind the long-awaited upgrade to Windows, with appearances being made by Chairman Bill Gates and CEO Steve Ballmer.

 

jatar_k




msg:3235861
 3:16 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

I was at the big electronics store yesterday and they are giving 100$ off on all xp laptops as they are liquidating them.

They had a ton of vista machines there to play with even though they can't sell them yet.

maximillianos




msg:3235871
 3:21 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

I spent some time at Best Buy yesterday comparing an iMac with Tiger OSX to a Vista laptop.

I'm ready to buy my first Mac...

btsteed




msg:3235882
 3:33 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

I tried to buy a PC this weekend from Dell *without* Vista, and it was nearly impossible. Only a few of their business line PCs are still sold with XP. All other models come with Vista and no option to buy them configured with XP.

"Ready or Not" is right...

travelin cat




msg:3235891
 3:42 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm compiling a list of "New" features on Vista that have been in Mac OSX for years, things like needing an admin password to update software...

Why don't they just call it Vista OSX?

maximillianos




msg:3235947
 4:25 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

This is true Microsoft fashion... copy others successes... They are masters of it. They copied the Macs in the early 80's to create Windows. They copied Netscape in 1994 to create IE. They copied Lotus 1-2-3 to make Excel. Now they are copying OSX to make Vista...

Microsoft should be the default entry in Wikipedia for "Innovation"... ;-)

dauction




msg:3235963
 4:39 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

And yet Mac remains the little engine that sometimes can ..

;)

pontifex




msg:3235964
 4:43 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

I am running Vista Ultimate for over a week now and it is OK... the user rights management MS integrated is a bit annoying and I guess they will create a huge amount of frustrated users, who will not find a significant amount of buttons.

Aero is nice, but switches off every now and then, when applications (like Trillian 3.1) do not support it.

The bigger problem will be the Office 2007 Suite, where NO button is, where you expect it :)

P!

zafile




msg:3236289
 7:50 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

Microsoft "copied the Macs in the early 80's to create Windows. They copied Netscape in 1994 to create IE. They copied Lotus 1-2-3 to make Excel. Now they are copying OSX to make Vista..."

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

The Mac vs Windows GUI was heavily litigated in the US courts and Apple lost.

IE was based on NCSA Mosaic, not Netscape.

When Excel was released with a graphical user interface for the Mac, 1-2-3 was still based on a DOS character mode interface.

In regard to OSX vs Vista, lets go back to this interview [linuxfocus.org...] from 1998:

"The KDE team showed that a small group of people in one year can create an incredible desktop, that it can compete with Windows 95. When I saw Windows 95 for the first time I thought 'We are lost, we have lost the edge! We completely neglected the interface and they have beaten us up'."

Miguel de Icaza wasn't impressed about the Mac GUI, he was impressed by the Windows GUI.

unreviewed




msg:3236310
 8:13 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

>>This is true Microsoft fashion... copy others successes...

Not to mention all the airline company’s … the first company put “wings” on their airplanes and “then” all the others copied the same idea. And don’t even get me started on car manufactures that copied the “wheel” from good old Henry!

maximillianos




msg:3236412
 9:44 pm on Jan 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm not saying it is illegal (court reference)... I'm just saying they are not very innovative... which is fine. There are countless companies out there that do very well building off other people's ideas...

I'm a Unix/PC guy myself. But lately I've grown to appreciate their (Apple's) ability to go beyond what has already been done.

tigertom




msg:3236707
 2:49 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

From what I've read, I don't see any point in upgrading. Vista doesn't seem to offer anything new _and_ useful. And it's a system hog, apparently.

I only started using XP about 18 months ago, so I guess I can wait :)

sc112




msg:3236716
 2:56 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)


Vista's legal fine print raises red flags
[thestar.com]

...an unprecedented loss of consumer control over their own personal computers. In the name of shielding consumers from computer viruses and protecting copyright owners from potential infringement, Vista seemingly wrestles control of the "user experience" from the user...

MrSpeed




msg:3236721
 3:02 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

I haven't talked to any "Joe Average" that said they will upgrade. It will be a very slow transition for MS. The average user will get Vista only if they buy a new PC.

zafile




msg:3236763
 4:04 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

"It will be a very slow transition for MS."

It's simply too early for this type of assumptions.

A valid assumption is the OEMs will use all their marketing skills to convince "Joe Average" to upgrade or to buy a new system. Dell, Gateway, HP and the others will be busy sending e-mails to their current clients with offers to upgrade their machines.

The price of the basic upgrade version of Vista is quite accessible. The price of RAM is quite low these days. And machines sold since 2001 make it quite easy to replace memory cards.

Perhaps it might be a slow transition if Microsoft was on its own. However, there are too many players involved in this OS launch. Hence, the transition could occur faster than you think.

unreviewed




msg:3236817
 6:24 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

>>I'm a Unix/PC guy myself. But lately I've grown to appreciate their (Apple's) ability to go beyond what has already been done.

… for example?

With Microsoft I use for free,

.net 2.0 framework – tell me what this framework doesn’t have and I’ll point you to .net 3.0 beta.

Visual Basic or C# … or for that matter F#

Open source? – Dotnetnuke and thousands of other efforts ignored by people like maximillianos, despite the nose on their face.

Free software? – From programming, to database, to web design software – all free. A long, long list of completely free programs with actual help via video, web sites and professional books. Not to mention, help for newbie’s without the attitude of the typical Linux God. Basically that is what separates these types of people from the light ... just a simple misdirected God complex.

And all of the above currently kills Java for cross platform development.
Perl - don’t know much about Perl, but I’m sure my Grandfather can help you out.
PHP – which branch of this tree do you want to climb today?
Python – Great language but Zope took the lead and flopped. Google still makes use of it and so can you, within Windows.
Ajax – have you looked at what Microsoft is giving away in regards to this technique? Name another web site that has as many free tools or free useful enterprise level downloadable software in this area.

appi2




msg:3236906
 8:55 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

Grumble moan winge... rip off Britain
[news.bbc.co.uk...]


Prices for the OS in the UK range from about £100 for an upgrade version of the Basic package to £249 for a copy of the upgrade to the Ultimate version of Vista.

In the US prices start from $100 (£52) for an upgrade of Vista Home basic to $249 (£127) for the equivelant Ultimate version


Receptional




msg:3236924
 9:17 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

We went to upgrade one of our machines.

Interesting start - Some 20 odd device managers and programs were "not compatible with Vista". Including the computer's monitor and several MICROSOFT device drivers! ... ahem... I think you'll find that it is VISTA that is not compatible with our programs, not the other way around.

sem4u




msg:3236930
 9:25 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

Most people won't upgrade until they get a new PC. Most average home PC users won't have the 1GB of RAM needed to run it (2GB to take full advantage of Vista).

rj87uk




msg:3236937
 9:31 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well I wont be upgrading for around a year anyway, and that will only because I will end up buying a new pc...

Lexur




msg:3236970
 10:06 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

I moved to Windows XP in 2004 so I supose I will start using Vista around 2009/2010.

jecasc




msg:3237006
 11:11 am on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

I guess I'll be using Vista when it comes with the new PC I'll be buying in two or three years from now.

My only wish is that they have integrated a "Remove All Toys" button until then.

It took me at least one or two hours until I figured out how to switch off all the rubish and the distracting graphics I don't need when I got Windows XP.

If they would sell an edition of Vista without "Aero" for less money, perhaps I would even consider upgrading today.

mattglet




msg:3237115
 1:29 pm on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

If they would sell an edition of Vista without "Aero" for less money, perhaps I would even consider upgrading today

You should consider upgrading today then. Check out the Home Basic version of Vista, and you're getting what you're asking for.

BillyS




msg:3237181
 2:48 pm on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

Microsoft, the company people love to hate...

maximillianos




msg:3237342
 5:20 pm on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

This is all one needs to know about Microsoft... ;-)

[youtube.com...]

unreviewed




msg:3237519
 7:52 pm on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

lol ... yeah, can't really defend that.

ronin




msg:3237658
 9:35 pm on Jan 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

And it's a system hog, apparently.

Well, of course it is. How else is Intel going to stay in business?

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