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Ranking in Different Google ccTLD results for exact same language!
ccTLD is best when there is differences in lang, but what about same lang!
alahamdan




msg:4031837
 9:04 pm on Nov 25, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello

Guys i need your suggestions here please.

I searched WW for Multi Language web sites, and search results in different Google domains, i found many useful topics, after reading many topics i came with those conclusions(I may be mistaken):

To rank in different Google domains, you have to do the following:

1- ccTLD or at least sub-domain.
2- host your website in the same country you would like to rank in its corresponding Google search.
3- Choosing Geo-Targeting from WMT.

(Almost all topics considered that each web ccTLD will use a different language, even if there is little changes in language like en-us or en-uk...etc.

Ok , im confused here, let me explain few things before going further:

1- ccTLD is very hard to register in the countries im trying to rank in.and we don't want to run into duplication issue.

2- I'm living in an area where you cant get a good hosting service, and very expensive for a middle quality even.(very expensive bandwidth) , we are talking about Middle-East here, especially Arab World (23 Countries).

3- Choosing Geo-Targeting from WMT isn't an options, we are doing great now and its not a good idea to start playing with this option, especially we have an English section started to rank well.so web site is in Arabic and English.

There is about 15 different Google domains, serving Arab World Internet Users, the tricky thing here that all Arabic Websites use the official Arabic Language (The Exact Same Language).

We are doing excellent for all search terms we are targeting in 13 of the 15 Google domains (almost 1st result in all widget related terms), but not in Google.kw and Google.SA (Both are important because of high per-capita income there).

We have about 1 million indexed pages, when i choose any of the 13 Google domains we are doing fine in, and do site:example.com, choosing search pages from country only, i do see all the 1 million pages indexed.

But when its about Google.kw or Google.sa just 20 pages indexed! this is really strange.

If we try to use content lang in meta tags like ar-sa or ar-kw we will be ignoring other languages like ar-eg for example.

And today i saw a Google employee replied in Google blog that Google are not using meta tags any more to determine the language of the document.since they discovered many webmasters just copy-paste meta tags with no knowledge what they mean!

So i suppose the language meta-tag isn't the way to fix it!

Ranking in .sa and .kw isn't the issue now!, our pages are doing well, i think we just need them to be indexed into those domains (for choosing search only pages from Kuwait or from Saudi Arabia). there is nothing special thing im aware of about those 2 domains! im doing great in some related domains like .ae and .om (Oman and UAE) since all are gulf neighbors countries with many common things!

So what shall i do? your advice please!

Thanks in Advance

 

anallawalla




msg:4032030
 4:07 am on Nov 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

As you have indicated there are several ar variants for the language tag, which I would use despite what Google is saying today. I would lean towards getting a gTLD for each country and using WMT to point it to a specific country.

Do you have a duplicate content issue?

alahamdan




msg:4032112
 9:59 am on Nov 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello anallawalla

Thanks for reply, your always a good help :)

I just knew yesterday that content-language can be multiple values, so i started using this for my homepage:

<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="ar, ar-sa, ar-eg, ar-kw, ar-om, ar-ae, ar-iq, ar-bh, ar-tn, ar-dz, ar-ye, ar-ma, ar-ly, ar-qa, ar-jo, ar-lb, ar-sy"/>

Lets see if this will show the index page at least in the (show resultsfrom Kuwait, or from Saudia only)

- I don't have a duplicate issue currently, but if i create new gTLD or ccTLD i have to create content from trash, or it will be a duplicate content, since its The same exact language used in all Arab world.

- Im thinking to get the example.sa and example.kw of my website redirect (301 to example.com) do you think this will be usefull?

Your idea about gTLD is nice one , i may create few pages for each domain, optimized for the specific countries, set wmt geo for them, if i dont find another solution! even its strange , because we are ranking every where else but not in .sa and .kw, even there is nothing showing they are different!

AnkitMaheshwari




msg:4032119
 10:43 am on Nov 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

I would recommend that you should also try to get some links from websites that are hosted/have ccTLD of .sa and .kw; this might help in better rankings in Google.sa/.kw

alahamdan




msg:4032125
 11:15 am on Nov 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello AnkitMaheshwari

Thanks for your reply

The problem for ccTLD in Arab world, that they are treating them as a national treasure! so usually .sa and .kw domains are for Governmental use, so its not easy to get links from them. But ya im aware of your point.

Do you think trying to get my example.sa and example.kw and 301 redirect them to example.com may help in any way?

AnkitMaheshwari




msg:4032129
 11:35 am on Nov 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Do you think trying to get my example.sa and example.kw and 301 redirect them to example.com may help in any way?

Never tested it myself, but I believe that this would be of no/negligible help.
Having said that; if you already own the domains (money not a problem), I do not see any negatives to give this approach a try.

alahamdan




msg:4032169
 12:53 pm on Nov 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yes im going to give it a try,

But im still wondering why we are doing perfect in .jo .bh . ae .eg ....etc, but not in ,kw and ,sa?!

All mentioned Google domains are targeting Arab world, each for a country, there is no mark that they are different in anything else than the country it self.

We don't even have back links from .jo or .eg but we are doing great too!

I would like to know what are Google using to determine this we page is considered related to that language!? since they are not using meta tags any more?!

I noticed recently that the higher number of visitors from a country, will strongly affect your SERP in that country google domain, so the idea is just to get our pages listed when i search for pages from Kuwait or Saudi, and we will rank for sure, at least we will show in results! then ranking become another issue.

Another thing here, can i Assign Geo-Targeting in WMT for a folder or a sub-domain? I'll go and try if i can. but if its possible it wont affect the website in total? since the whole website with no Geo-Targeting.

anallawalla




msg:4032449
 11:16 pm on Nov 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

alahamdan,

I don't think you should put multiple versions of ar-xx on one page. Use the specific one for each gTLD per country.

I haven't looked for some time but I felt that Google applies a slightly different different algo for non-English languages. Are there no directories in SA/KW that give links?

alahamdan




msg:4032822
 5:46 pm on Nov 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello anallawalla

Thanks again for reply.

Before i continue there is an update here!

Now my website do not show in any Arabic Google domain when i try (search for pages from Country X), looks like there was something wrong last time when it used to show! even im sure it was showing it when i wrote this post.

Any way i think this is the usual situation, since im not hosting my website in any Arab country, and im not using ccTLD Domain or Geo-Targeting in WMT.

So now, what about creating sub-domains for each county, hosting them on same ip (or an ip on same network in USA) and setting the Geo-Targeting to the country in WMT , since i noticed you can give a sub-domain a geo-targeting? of course i have to make few unique pages for each country, since the language is same.

And no im not aware of any directory using .sa or .kw , and for sure i agree with you that Google using different algo for non-English languages, i saw some indicators on that.

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