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Best Link Building - my experience
Redwing2



 
Msg#: 4420182 posted 9:33 pm on Feb 21, 2012 (gmt 0)

Why am I writing this?
Simply to share my experiences in SEO (link building) for the last 8 years.

Methods I've used
You name it, I've done it......article submission, directory submission, social bookmarking, blog posts, blog commenting, forum posts, forum signatures, private blog network posting, SENuke campaigns, XRumer campaigns, reciprocal linking, automated 3-way linking, manual 3-way linking, etc.

What I have learned
1. Google (who we're all struggling against) has learned how to discover and devalue almost all methods of link building.......they want us all to be buying Adwords.
2. The most effective link is a one-way link from a hard working, high page rank, spam free, website.......theme relevancy is a plus, but not absolutely necessary.
3. Investment of time and money on most of the other methods is a waste of resources.

Who is on top?
Most of the websites that rank the highest in search engine placement are there because of the following methods:
1. They are heavily into cloaking, or IP delivery. Google equates cloakers to criminals because they are almost powerless to stop it. However, most of us can not afford it because the cloaking experts charge many thousands of dollars per month to manage your cloaking efforts.....and most of us are not capable of doing our own cloaking.
2. Websites that can afford a link manager who dedicates all their time to buying links (risky if not done correctly) or getting one-way links from good websites. This also requires a lot of time and effort.

What is my conclusion?
Going forward, I only want one-way links from hard working, spam free, high page rank websites. To do this I will, no doubt, have to participate in 3-way link building where A links B, B links to C, and C links to A. It will have to be a manually administered system because the embedded scripts that are used by automated 3-way linking systems are too easily detected by Google. Done correctly, the manually administered 3-way linking system is virtually undetectable.

 

martinibuster

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Msg#: 4420182 posted 9:56 pm on Feb 21, 2012 (gmt 0)

Going forward, I only want one-way links from hard working, spam free, high page rank websites.


That's one way to do it. And thanks for leaving the low page rank websites for me to take. I appreciate it.

To do this I will, no doubt, have to participate in 3-way link building...


Do enough hard working, spam free, high pagerank sites participate in 3-way link scams to support your goals?

I only want one-way links...have to participate in 3-way link building...


1. Three-way links are not one-way. That's an SEO services marketing myth.

2. Three-way link emails are generally viewed by web publishers as spam, and the transactions themselves as scams. All hard working web publisher of a high pagerank website who I have ever met are the kind of people who routinely delete such emails.

I think you are heading in the right direction but the path you are proposing may not be the most long term solution. That's on a different path.

Planet13

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Msg#: 4420182 posted 10:36 pm on Feb 21, 2012 (gmt 0)

As for other ways to get links, at the risk of sounding mean or petty, how about creating great content that people will WANT to link to?

While you are correct that it seems there are lots of high ranking sites where the owners are trying to game google one way or another, if you are going to be spending all that time and money to compete, why not spend it on great content?

I've noticed that my best content tends to get links naturally, and if I am going around link begging, then it is easier for me to get one way links to my better content than it is to get links to my mediocre content.

[edited by: martinibuster at 10:44 pm (utc) on Feb 21, 2012]

Redwing2



 
Msg#: 4420182 posted 1:22 am on Feb 22, 2012 (gmt 0)

@martinibuster
Someday, maybe, I'll become intelligent enough to become a moderator of a forum.....then, I won't have to live in the real world any longer....you guys amaze me.

buckworks

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Msg#: 4420182 posted 2:54 am on Feb 22, 2012 (gmt 0)

maybe, I'll become intelligent enough to become a moderator of a forum


Only if you're teachable.

scooterdude



 
Msg#: 4420182 posted 2:00 pm on Feb 22, 2012 (gmt 0)

may i have some of the low page rank links too, if there are any left :)

Anyways I am about to make my upteenth attempt at link begging, one hopes link beggong is still acceptable to the masters of the search by the time i get any joy

afreshup



 
Msg#: 4420182 posted 4:47 pm on Feb 22, 2012 (gmt 0)

"Do or Do not. There is no try."

Yoda

Marketing Guy

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Msg#: 4420182 posted 4:58 pm on Feb 22, 2012 (gmt 0)

I hear actually creating a decent website that adds value to your niche and is promoted via traditional marketing techniques can result in some nice links. Or something.

afreshup



 
Msg#: 4420182 posted 10:33 pm on Feb 22, 2012 (gmt 0)

I've noticed that my best content tends to get links naturally, and if I am going around link begging, then it is easier for me to get one way links to my better content than it is to get links to my mediocre content.


I have noticed the same thing as well, however in the niche we are in that's not going to cut it ... Our competitors have publicist and staff writers ... I have one person whose full time job is to

1. Place our content on other PF blogs,
2. Comment on their blogs (not as a form of link building, bather community building)
3. Link Beg

My next step is going to have her pick up the phone and try to contact the people who will not give us the time of day ... she has a really sexy voice :-)

The phone thing ... good or bad idea?

CainIV

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Msg#: 4420182 posted 5:07 am on Feb 23, 2012 (gmt 0)

Would have to totally disagree on a number of points. Having about 8 years of building links and websites

1. Investment in order methods and resources isn't a waste of time unless ranking position 1 Google for very difficult hotel keywords is a waste of time

2. Most of the websites that rank high are in fact not cloaking. They are just build better links - and content - than other websites below them.

3. Three way links are fairly difficult to secure nowadays. Most webmasters delete them. Further, they can really affect brand relationships negatively.

What I have noticed is that link volume is a necessary component of rankings. Those who try and suggest that only limited numbers of high quality authority links can gain websites top rankings need to also look at the role that the other supportive lower pagerank contextual links are playing.

What I have found of late is that a wide diversity of links coupled with some very high quality authority links, local links seems to be working well. The lower pagerank links are best created around the destination website in a supportive branded way.

Martini spoke about this years ago (creating your own hub so that you retain access of many of your own links) and I believe this is even more valid now in both branding and SEO.

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