| 8:24 am on Jun 21, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Personally I'd just stick with this one -
50 niche website links
and put the rest on the backburner. Although I'm sure you've considered testing it to see which elements of your method provide the most value.
| 8:31 am on Jun 21, 2011 (gmt 0)|
if you want to get high rankings, all methods should give you a true value equally.
| 10:33 am on Jun 21, 2011 (gmt 0)|
If you're sticking to this routine bi-weekly, I'd love to hear how this experiment unfolds. The problem with many forum posts on WW and other SEO forums is that people abandon their threads and leave readers guessing :)
Anyway, here's my subjective feedback:
|15 Web 2.0 Property Link Wheel |
too dangerous, can be easily detected
|50 approved directory submission |
varied titles/descriptions? if yes - good, if no - useless
|50 approved articles submission |
a) one article to 50 directories - useless b) 50 articles to 50 directories - good
don't believe you can achieve this bi-weekly if you go for niche-specific dofollow blogs
|50 press release submission live |
read: 1 press release. We're living in a post-Panda world and non-unique content doesn't count
sort of... not really effective
again, probably 1 piece of content copied to 50 resources?
more details please!
more details please: buying? soliciting for free links?
nofollow... only good for traffic if your niche is VERY popular.
spam, 0-conversion rate
Greatly deprecated. post-Panda - useless
good! But harder than used to be. You'll get the majority of your lenses relegated to "work-in-progress" status unless you can get people to thumbsup your lenses.
| 10:55 am on Jun 21, 2011 (gmt 0)|
you have written many times you can't use or bad, i am using rewritten and spun content and after panda updates rankings has been increased of my clients website , with my technique.
| 11:28 am on Jun 21, 2011 (gmt 0)|
thanks for sharing your link building techniques ... sounds like you are dedicating plenty of time to this.
I would focus only on website links and blogposts.
Where do you get your website links?
| 11:54 am on Jun 21, 2011 (gmt 0)|
i am getting my website links by searching for related websites.
| 12:11 pm on Jun 21, 2011 (gmt 0)|
None of the link building methods provide any signals of quality. All of them seem like they are methods that are easily duplicated by others, and therefore likely will be duplicated (meaning your backlinks look like them). I'd expect these are things that Google is/will be looking for. I'd suggest that you have multiple discrete sites so that if and when one site gets turfed by Google you're not left with nothing.
| 1:45 pm on Jun 21, 2011 (gmt 0)|
|you have written many times you can't use or bad |
It wasn't meant to annoy you :) I did it for educational/sport/fun purposes
You meantioned in your original post the following:
|Share your thout about my link building techniques. |
I still think you're doing very well; only sharing my thoughts. It is allowed in this forum, check TOS :)
|have multiple discrete sites |
is a very good point!
| 6:42 pm on Jun 21, 2011 (gmt 0)|
While your sites have been successful so far, i can't really recommend all the above methods.
If one is to search these forums for over optimization penalty they would see that several people who have done those types of link building have been hit with a recovery time of between 3 months and 2.5 years.
When your site jumps up the SERPs quickly, you leave yourself open to manual reviews, and a site with a link building profile like the one mentioned above would, in my humble opinion, be very susceptible to a penalty.
A few months back there was a poster who advocated something along the lines of what you suggested. Just about two weeks ago, he was back on the google forum lamenting receiving a -50 penalty across several sites.
For what it's worth.
| 6:52 pm on Jun 21, 2011 (gmt 0)|
don't worry, i am just supplying my method for success story. if you can afford unique CS passed content, then i can guarantee you that you never get penalize, except bad nieghbourhood.
| 9:15 pm on Jun 21, 2011 (gmt 0)|
I guess it depends on which blogs, which forums. A lot of the crap mentioned may be good for added anchor if you have the big gun links in the first place.
| 9:28 pm on Jun 21, 2011 (gmt 0)|
|if you have the big gun links in the first place |
Doubtful. Nobody does that anymore.
| 2:52 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
I would love for someone to help me answer the $64,000 question. What is the best way to get unique, relevant inbound links. I have tried many different programs and companies, and the best I can get is crappy links.
In the past, I have submitted articles to the better article factories, this seemed to give me the best backlinks, but since Panda, not so much.
I have two article writers that churn out 40 articles a month for my main website. What I would like to do is to place this content on relevant websites with my backlinks, however my attempts to get people to do this have been minimal.
There has to be a better way for me to get quality backlinks. I have relevant, unique content and I am willing to give it away for good backlinks. Can anyone give me some suggestions?
| 3:28 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
I'll be a bit facetious here, but:
|I have tried many different programs and companies, and the best I can get is crappy links. |
So don't use programs and companies. Really. You're fishing in an overfished pond.
I have two article writers that churn out 40 articles a month for my main website.
You could probably publish their articles on 4X4 sheets of white paper and string them together in a roll for what those articles. At least they'd be of some use then.
First, professional web content writers are the farthest thing from subject matter experts you can get. Secondly, unique content is not the same as quality content. Low end blogs want unique content. High end blogs want expert level quality content.
| 4:42 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Okay, First, thank you wheel,I love the input. My content/ article writers are what I would call grade "B". I spend $600 per month on 40 articles.
Although the content IS unique, it does lack the umph! I see on my larger competitor's websites. That's not to say the articles are bad.
I would love to send you to my articles section to get your opinion. However, being a newb here I don't know if that's frowned upon.
So if I am hearing you correctly, It would be better to spend the $600 on 10 quality articles than the 40?
Assuming I do so, how do I solve the problem of getting quality blogs to let me place them? Or should I keep them as original content on my site?
| 4:52 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
i can suggest you to go for high PR, niche blogpost with your own unique content on these blogs,
2nd make a publisher (premium) account on ezine and 5 other most popular article directories and submit your unique articles on each directory (twice a week).
and experience the changes in rankings with in next 2-3 weeks.
| 4:59 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Harsh, I am an "expert" author on ezine, and several more article sites. Would you suggest that I submit the same article to each article site?
Do you suggest that I keep the same article on my website as well?
| 5:00 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
no i am just suggesting you , post unique article on TOP 5 article directories, 2 times in a week.
| 5:09 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
So if I am hearing you correctly, It would be better to spend the $600 on 10 quality articles than the 40?
No. If you were hearing me correctly you'd have heard me say to not to use content writers :). If you're an expert in your market/niche, then write the articles yourself.
|Assuming I do so, how do I solve the problem of getting quality blogs to let me place them? Or should I keep them as original content on my site? |
Nothing wrong with getting a good guest post on a true authority blog. But you're right, gaining contact is difficult. Which is a good thing, keeps out the nonsense.
I suggest you are taking the wrong approach. Rather than creating X number of mediocre articles and then going to some place to get them all published, go target your dream blogs and get connected with them - write the content after you've got acceptance of publication.
When you contact the blogs, tell them you'll offer them three subjects (make them good ones, not crap written by outsourced authors) that they can pick from for you to write. Then offer that you'll write the article and they'll publish only after they've seen the article, and only if they like the article at that time. Assure them they can discard you at any time, no obligation.
That's about the only way to initially get on to the real top blogs. I use other methods to get bloggers attention, but it's a whole lot of work.
If the articles are actually expert level, then all you need is one published. You can then use that one as kind of a reference when approaching other bloggers,i.e. see my other guest post over here.
Of course that won't work if you're outsourcing the content writing. Because if you approach a top blogger and point to your previous 'work', they'll ignore you. Again, unique doesn't do it for them, it's got to be quality.
Now, if you've got top *quality* content, then even the top bloggers are hungry to talk to you. Fortunately for you, hardly any body is doing quality content. THey're all outsourcing their content to professional writers..right: :)
FWIW, I've got an almost-lock on the top bloggers in my niche. A national newspaper recently did their annual 'top 10 bloggers' in my niche, and almost every one of the couple dozen they named look to me first for articles on my subject. I recently 'caught' one republishing articles from a competitor, they won't be doing that again (I explained why it was bad for their site).
| 6:54 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Thanks Wheel, Harsh
Here's the issue with hiring writers, one niche is financial by nature (credit cards are the primary product) I can handle writing articles for this niche, I was in finance and investment for 20 years.
Would you say a good strategy would be for me to pick up the pen again and kick out 3-5 really good articles a week for other blogs and my websites and submit the articles from my writers to article sites? Their articles really aren't that bad ...
I'm still fuzzy on dupe content post panda ... if I post an article to an article site CO NOT add that article to my website? Or is it okay?
| 7:22 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
|Their articles really aren't that bad ... |
yes they are.
If you're going to use them, IMO I would only bother with them for article sites and low end blogs. You'll never (as you noticed) get content writers published on high end blogs.
Credit cards. Write an analysis of how much money is saved by transferring balance from a high % card to a low% card. Do some present value calcs to prove it. That's probably at the top end of what an article writer would ever do. They won't even know what PV is - you probably can do the calcs shorthand. So an article like that would be at the bottom end of what you would write. i.e. write articles that not only an article writer can't write, but that others in your industry perhaps can't write. Those are the kinds of articles I write.
Mind you, I don't churn out 5 in a week by any stretch. I don't get that many ideas. But it's about quality for me, not quantity.
| 7:34 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
Their articles really aren't that bad ...
yes they are.
Awwww! I just saw the light .... without even reading them you know they're bad based on the fact that they are churned out articles ... no one who churns out articles for a living will be as detail specific as I need to be to get noticed.
... and for me to get into the types of websites that can give my website an authority status I must think outside the box (I hate that saying, but it really fits here) and create content that THEY (the websites I'm targeting) can't get.
One last question .... should I ask for a link back from these authority sites I target? If so contextual link?
| 7:53 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
The link back is what you're getting in exchange for the content so you should demand a link back. It's unlikely you'll even have to ask though, everyone knows the downlow on this, they'll assume you're getting a link.
Commonly these blog articles will have two or three links within the content of the article. Plus, the final paragraph is normally an attribution paragraph which includes a link like:
THis is a guest post by afreshup. Afreshup has been in the finance credit card industry for 20+ years and is presidend of Afreshup global domination inc. (where Afreshup global domination inc. would be a link to your website).
I no longer do in-content links when I get guest articles published, just get the one in the attribution. And my articles are long, page down multiple times to read it all. But I'm sure I'm very much an outlier on that.
Also, you should expect a low success rate on this. Maybe approach 10, convince 1. Again, this is good stuff, it's a barrier to entry for most. But I'm confident that 1 link from an authority blog is easily worth 10 to 50 low end blog links.
| 8:01 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
With my new found advice .... I snooped out google news for credit cards to see the type of articles that are being published. I found an authority website "businessinsider.com" that published an article "The AmEx Prepaid Debit Card's Dirty Little Secret" written by Tim Chen, of NerdWallet, a competitor of mine.
So this is a good lead for me to approach businessinsider.com with some of my articles, right?
| 8:24 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
|I was in finance and investment for 20 years. |
Then THAT is your main value! You have to leverage that.
Any putz can churn out crap articles.
If you were going to spend $600 a month, then I would say that YOU should write the articles and your money would be better spent hiring someone to do the promotion of them. You should hire someone with a PR background to contact the sites for you.
Then you will have both expert content AND expert marketing, instead of so-so content and so-so marketing.
| 8:34 pm on Jun 23, 2011 (gmt 0)|
|So this is a good lead for me to approach businessinsider.com with some of my articles, right? |
In an ideal world, you want to find the site that:
Has the most relevant content to what you do
Has the highest page rank
Has lots of INBOUND links from other sites that are relevant to yours and also have high page rank
And that links OUT to few other sites besides yours.
While it will be difficult to do, I think if you can be patient with them (instead of desperate), and demonstrate to them what concrete value your content will have, then you will have a better chance of getting published by them.
Maybe you should reserve your BEST article for the BEST site, but you can get other articles published on second-tier sites first. And if you can get any sorts of metrics that prove your articles are great (like that they have a low bounce rate, or that they help the website owner get lots of conversions), then it will probably be easier to get your killer article published on a top tier site.
If I published other people's material, and a writer was able to say to me, "My articles have a lower bounce rate than the other articles on the site, longer time on page, and better conversion rate," I would be much more enthusiastic about having your write for my site.
Just my two cents...
| 5:18 am on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0)|
you just need to concentrate on publishing of unique content with backlink to your website.
| 12:40 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0)|
|A lot of the crap mentioned may be good for added anchor if you have the big gun links in the first place |
... this is the impression I get when I look at competitive terms. The profile has trust from fantastic links on the brand name, but also bulk crud links with focused anchor text.
I have a suspicion that the two together is actually better than just the trusted quality links.
| 1:19 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0)|
|I am using this technique bi-weekly for one website. Share your thoughts about my link building techniques. |
Let's party like it's 1999!
20th Century Link Building Techniques.
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