afreshup
msg:4330525 | 1:53 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
pageoneresults, I detect sarcasm ...
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harsh2k218
msg:4330526 | 2:01 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
me toooo for pageoneresult
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pageoneresults
msg:4330530 | 2:07 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
Me too! That makes three of us. ;)
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pageoneresults
msg:4330551 | 2:40 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
Sarcasm aside, let me give you some direct feedback on your link building methods...
| 15 Web 2.0 Property Link Wheel |
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That wheel is flat.
| 50 approved directory submission |
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Directory Submissions? In 2011? I know what you're referring to. I've reviewed those types of directories. For the most part they have little to no value and leave a large footprint.
| 50 approved articles submission |
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Come on now. What exactly is that and are you stating that you have 50 articles or 1 article that you submit to 50 article resources? I only know of a handful and those have been filtered from the SERPs in most instances.
Is that you leaving those one liners that read... "Great article! Thank you for sharing that with us."?
| 50 press release submission live |
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Holy crap! 50 Press Releases?! That's why the PR sites have been filtered from the SERPs too.
Not the type of forums that matter. You won't get away with that type of activity in any fora that have value.
What live profile links? You mean like Twitter, Facebook, etc? Another frackin large footprint if not used appropriately.
50 this, 50 that, 50, 50, 50.
Huh? 50 Blog Posts?! And you're using this technique bi-weekly for just one website?
Not from resources that count. I think I can speak for many around here that obtaining links from 50 niche websites is a major task.
Argh!
Argh! Argh!
Why not 50?
Ditto.
I wanted to keep things brief to get the point across. I'm guessing ALL of the above can be done for $29.00 or something like that?
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Leosghost
msg:4330555 | 2:46 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
Now I need a new needle, you just broke that one P1R ;)
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Hoople
msg:4330560 | 2:54 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
Local radio ad here in eastern USA from a Verizon & Intuit partnership targeting B2C: "...submit your site to 100 search engines..." I almost spewed my car's windshield with my morning caffeine when I first heard it, LOL!
They need the 'Party Like it's 1999' song as that ad's background music!
With all the high quality SEO forums (like this one) around why are people still using tactics that the Florida update nuked?
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Planet13
msg:4330606 | 4:03 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
| With all the high quality SEO forums (like this one) around why are people still using tactics that the Florida update nuked? |
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The same reason I am sometimes TEMPTED to use them. Because I see a couple of competitors in the SERPs who rank ahead of me who have those types of links, WITHOUT having a single .edu or .gov link.
As sad as it is to say, in the very small niche I am looking at, crappy links still seem to do quite well, ala the last century. Unless open site explorer is somehow oblivious to a bunch of quality links to my competitors, in my niche at least, it's still "Hammer Time."
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wheel
msg:4330614 | 4:14 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
| With all the high quality SEO forums (like this one) around why are people still using tactics that the Florida update nuked? |
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I expect that the techniques detailed in the OP work just fine today.
In fact, I'd suggest that the way the OP described link building is in fact one of the most common link building methodologies in use by ranking websites today.
There was a company exhibiting at the last pubcon (looks like they are likely at the next one) that had a similiar methodology down to a science. Very automated, very low end, very artificial, and I have ever expectation that it works just fine.
The link selling/bulk buying/artificial construct SEO firms are doing better than ever, and are quite likely the majority of the SEO companies out there. Even the white hats aren't true white hats anymore - you can't be. There's simply (almost) no such thing as a natural link these days in most industries.
I'd actually be tempted to try this stuff just for kicks, but I love all my little children too much to do that to any one of them.
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afreshup
msg:4330623 | 4:34 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
Wheel. however from time to time ... you DO have to get the children some cheap sneakers .. I like the Mark Twain quote "All things in moderation, including moderation."
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FranticFish
msg:4330629 | 4:44 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
| I'd actually be tempted to try this stuff just for kicks |
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Factory SEO is soul-destroyingly boring.
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Planet13
msg:4330634 | 4:54 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
| ...you DO have to get the children some cheap sneakers... |
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Maybe I am overly paranoid, but every time I am tempted to build links in bulk, I think of all the threads I have read by people who have been slapped with a -50 penalty, and I start to shudder.
I only have two sites - both ecommerce - and both are 90% dependent on google organic listings for paying customers. Should a manual review ever come by, I really, really need them to be able to "pass the sniff test."
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afreshup
msg:4330655 | 5:20 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
Off topic but ... is there a site where like-minded webmasters can come together to trade good content and help each other out?
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pageoneresults
msg:4330665 | 5:36 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
| In fact, I'd suggest that the way the OP described link building is in fact one of the most common link building methodologies in use by ranking websites today. |
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I don't believe that statement, nope, not me. And, if that is the case, then the Internet is totally screwed up.
There is nothing natural about the techniques outlined. Sure, there are exceptions, but in this case we're talking automated artificial link inflation techniques. 50 of this, 50 of that, 50 of the other, I just don't see that bearing any tangible long term benefits. Once you get into this mode, you have effectively distorted the site's link profile and who knows what else.
I've seen these types of programs at work for local businesses. True story, I had one local prospect come to me asking why none of their pages were showing up for 3, 4 and even 5 word search terms. Well, they had signed up for a couple of these programs which included reciprocal signals and they got whacked. You can view the link profile for the site and see that it was naturally accruing links and then wham! a spike in activity. Within 30 days their traffic dropped just as much as the spike in link growth.
From my perspective, there just aren't 50 of this and 50 of that out there. Anything in that type of volume where the above activity is allowed just isn't going to be worth much. I find it hard to believe that this type of strategy can be maintained in a long term Internet presence. You don't do this to a local Mom and Pop who relies on the Internet for 25% of their business. You surely don't do this for anything that represents a significant part of your income or, someone else's.
Use at your own risk. Just add all those numbers up and think -567 filter.
| Off topic but ... is there a site where like-minded webmasters can come together to trade good content and help each other out? |
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There's only one - you're at it. :)
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Hoople
msg:4330674 | 5:50 pm on Jun 24, 2011 (gmt 0) |
| The link selling/bulk buying/artificial construct SEO firms are doing better than ever, and are quite likely the majority of the SEO companies out there. |
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With Google ratcheting up the Panda algo I feel the effectiveness of these firm's automated tactics may become more limited a LOT sooner than some think.
Having lived thru a -50 penalty I'll stay within the guidlines much more often than in the past.
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FranticFish
msg:4330994 | 11:35 am on Jun 25, 2011 (gmt 0) |
| I feel the effectiveness of these firm's automated tactics may become more limited a LOT sooner than some think |
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People were saying that years ago. As Wheel said, virtually all agencies do this. To do this and get away with it you're either lucky or very clever.
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pageoneresults
msg:4331177 | 11:41 am on Jun 26, 2011 (gmt 0) |
| As Wheel said, virtually all agencies do this. |
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Really? The agencies I'm familiar with wouldn't do something like this, they know better. If there are agencies that you know who are doing this, I'd be willing to bet that it's offshore SEO being done in the SEO Sweatshops that now plague our industry. Ya, just what a local Mom and Pop needs, 100s or 1000s of links from China, India, Pakistan, etc.
Tell me, do you think Google isn't on to this? I mean, how many local U.S. businesses do you know who normally/naturally have a link profile that is 90% offshore?
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wheel
msg:4331209 | 3:30 pm on Jun 26, 2011 (gmt 0) |
Really? The agencies I'm familiar with wouldn't do something like this, they know better. If there are agencies that you know who are doing this, I'd be willing to bet that it's offshore SEO being done in the SEO Sweatshops that now plague our industry. Ya, just what a local Mom and Pop needs, 100s or 1000s of links from China, India, Pakistan, etc. |
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Then I suspect you maybe haven't asked enough details about what they're doing. Not everyone is simply outsourcing offshore. Even the top quality white hat firms are doing some sort of automation, purchasing, or blatantly artificial link building. As soon as you start with the words 'we use a crawler' (and many of the top firms do), you've got artificial. I'm not meaning to discredit anyone, but I'm talking about pretty much every one of the top, well-known white hat SEO firms that we all know.
They start off with 'we're white hat'. But when you start asking how they actually find the sites to get links from, automation or $'s enters into it. You simply can't run 10,100,1000 clients and not have automation.
And website owners are buying into it more than ever. It's like everyone knows they're pushing the line, but they look at what others are doing and want to copy it.
You need look no further than the link building forum here. It's half as dead as it was 2 years ago. And I can't remember the last time I saw even a single thread about how to build one up, quality links. Nobody asks how to get .gov's and .edu's anymore. Not even on the radar (links like that are more my focus than ever, personally).
Now everyone's looking to social media like it's the cure for their woes. It's not. Google hasn't devalued link building, they've just raised the bar. Which frankly is excellent news for me because it increases the barriers to entry of ranking.
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Planet13
msg:4331241 | 5:35 pm on Jun 26, 2011 (gmt 0) |
| It's like everyone knows they're pushing the line, but they look at what others are doing and want to copy it. |
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In the niches I look at, which do tend to be more mom and pop stores, they do use the automation that wheel mentions and they do push the line.
If they don't, then they are relegated to also-ran status.
One competitor of mine who has the nicest site of any AND had the best links (unsolicited, aged, and from VERY relevant sites) has been dropping in the SERPs lately.
Back in January he was around #4 - #5. Nowadays, you will find him toward #16 to #18.
His crime? No spammy links, and his anchor text isn't optimized at all since I don't think he ever ASKED for a link.
It's too bad, because if I were google, I would put him at #2 in the SERPs (right BEHIND my site, of course).
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CainIV
msg:4336790 | 6:18 am on Jul 8, 2011 (gmt 0) |
| As soon as you start with the words 'we use a crawler' (and many of the top firms do), you've got artificial. |
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Sure, but the meaning depends on the context of "crawler" and the context of where that automation is used. There is nothing wrong with automation depending on where it is used.
We use a crawler to link prospect because a machine can sort results by keyword, and do some pretty impressive automated things much faster than any human can.
That doesn't say anything about the type of link being developed, the method of developing it. It only speaks to how the research was acquired.
But point is well made and is a good one Wheel. There are less of us who care about long term quality inbound links from truly exceptional sources.
I think it has really become a case of the ones who are doing it and knowing how to do it well being very reluctant to share too much advice based on the fact that so many others have switched to the flavor of the day.
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