| 12:57 pm on Apr 8, 2010 (gmt 0)|
This comes up quite often. Polite begs... er... emails to folks (not bulk generated) asking them to look at your stuff because it will enhance their stuff. Hard work. No easy way. I expend link search time on my ecommerce sites for that purpose and get a few.
Never spent that effort on my hobby site. Oddly, I have more links to my hobby site because others found it to be of value. The ecommerce sites do okay, but not nearly as well as the passion site. :)
Create what folks want, authority, ecommerce or hobby... and not just Google rank (and better be thinking Bing, these days, too) and those desired links will come.
All I can say is beware the FAST links and the PAID links. Those might work for a few weeks then tank in the end.
| 1:05 pm on Apr 8, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Hi Tangor thanks for the reply, the site I am trying to link to is the ecommerce site I have a personal site and blog and I find links come naturally but people never want to link to ecommerce sites when you email them or beg I also never pay for links and try to build them naturally however this is so hard with an ecommerce site where do you find best to link from?
| 1:15 pm on Apr 8, 2010 (gmt 0)|
By having something they want. It's that simple. And that difficult. You are doing it the right way. It takes time. A LOT OF TIME. And requires patience.
Meanwhile, you have the Next Big Thing in the works, right? Nose the grindstone and all that hokey stuff. It does pay off...
| 2:40 pm on Apr 9, 2010 (gmt 0)|
One technique is to have a non-commercial information site that send link equity back to your ecom site, and ask for links to the former :)
| 8:57 pm on Apr 9, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Interesting advice lea - I asked something like that on another forum before and nobody really "agreed" with the technique (nobody disagreed, either, though lol).
Here's what I mean:
If you want to get links to a certain type of e-commerce website, the simple fact that it's an e-commerce website will make it harder to link to (the same content on an e-commerce website will get fewer links than the same content on a non-commercial site as many linkers/webmasters dont like to link out to obviously commerical stuff).
So at the end of the day the question would be: Which way do you lose more link juice: if you miss out on links (because people dont like to link to content on an e-commerce site) or if the link juice reaches your e-com site through a non-commercial site (not directly).
Sounds very much like you've found that using a non-commercial information site is often worth it overall?
| 10:04 am on Apr 10, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Sometimes you can get away with a section of the site being 'informational', but I think that depends on the niche.
I think the math is pretty simple that X% of a link (via info site) is greater than 0% of a link that isn't given at all :)
| 4:09 am on Apr 11, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Hehe..what I meant is that if you put the same content on the e-commerce site and get 15 links, or you put the content on an additional informational site where you get 20 links...
are 15 links sending link juice (and visitors) directly maybe better than 20 sending that indirectly (and thus losing "page rank")?
but I guess you meant to say that in many cases it is more like 20 links vs. (almost) no link, at all, right?;-)
Ive been thinking this technique might work especially well with lawyer sites (and the like) :-)
| 7:45 am on Apr 11, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Well, yes, that is a little different.
But I think its always difficult to compare - no two links are the same and its really hard to say in advance 'this technique will get me 20 x quality 17 vs this other technique will get me 15 x quality 25' :(
but lawyer sites? Not quite ecom. I would expect (but would want to test) that a good solid 'resource section' could garner some strong backlinks. Limited perhaps by what a lawyer is allowed to do on their site (are there limits on them? Theres that whole 'I am not *your* solicitor' thing)
| 7:45 am on Apr 12, 2010 (gmt 0)|
yeah lawyer sites arent exactly e-commerce sites (wont try to define what an e-com site is now;)), but I was thinking creating an informational section...not on the site...might be a good technique especially for that kind of site, that...people generally dont love to link to :-)...commercial stuff, lawyers,
| 5:29 am on Apr 14, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Personally, I have a link tree in the backyard, and every summer I get out there with a bucket and pick like crazy, later making jams and assorted dry snacks and ride out the year.
| 5:45 am on Apr 14, 2010 (gmt 0)|
CainIV, you dirty rat! You aren't supposed to reveal the link trees! They only flourish in certain climates, and those in the swamp will be bitterly disappointed if they try to plant one. I got mine from GrowSite 'r' Us some years back. At present it is about six inches tall, surrounded by a chain link fence with a pair of dedicated Dobermans on guard.
| 3:06 pm on Apr 14, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Here are a few tips on link-building!
•Try to get links back to as many pages as you can within your website. Don’t simply focus your links on the homepage.
•Stick to one link-building method and strive to do at least 50 to 100 links per month using ONLY that method.
•Quality links are of more value to your website than the quantity of links.
| 4:26 pm on Apr 14, 2010 (gmt 0)|
50 to 100 quality links a month? Maybe our interpretation of quality is not the same. In my niche, five would be a nice goal and 10 probably not sustainable in the long run.
| 5:41 pm on Apr 14, 2010 (gmt 0)|
i reckon they pick up links from more places than the usual webpages. google probably note any URLs that pass through gmail. if people are emailing each other about a page, i find it hard to believe that google wouldn't count that as a vote.
so maybe you could try and do some 'email to a friend' or 'email your wishlist to a friend' kind of things.
| 11:44 am on Apr 16, 2010 (gmt 0)|
"Dont simply focus your links on the homepage" - the idea of deep linking being a good one isn't new to me, but I recently read (in an IM book) that you should get 30% of your links to the homepage.
That made me wonder - Can too much deep linking be a bad idea, and getting a decent percentage of your links to your homepage is just as important as getting deep links?
| 3:04 pm on May 2, 2010 (gmt 0)|
I've seen sites rank high with 0 deep links. Remember, Google ranks pages, not domains. Your homepage is just another page. That's all.
| 5:28 pm on May 2, 2010 (gmt 0)|
"Remember Google ranks pages, not domains."
I would highly disagree with this statement, as Google seems to take into account
1. overall domain authority & trust (in other words: how much link juice is pointing to that website/domain name and how old is it)
2. links pointing to the actual page
If you a website has 1. down, it can often rank pages without 2.
| 2:50 am on May 3, 2010 (gmt 0)|
I'm not sure I understand what domain authority means. I think of it in simpler terms. If inner pages are about a broad range of phrases relative to shorter phrases, and linked to because of those broad phrases, then it makes sense for the relative hub or home page to rank for the two word phrase.
That is one reason (but not the only reason) that it's important to bring links to the inner pages. In my opinion, the quantity and quality of links coming into the entire site might be what gives it authority and hence why it's more eligible/deserving/relevant to rank for the shorter phrases.
What is trust? I see that as the absence of certain negative signals. Those signals exist in the outgoing links and incoming links. In my opinion it's a quick way to determine the intent of a site and lump into a bucket associated with sites that are or are not useful. From there, imo, the site is free to move on to further scrutiny. From my experience of watching the SERPs, content is outranked by the link metrics.
The problem with pointing links to the home page is that all the sub-pages receive a share of that PR. But that kind of linking doesn't reflect the life of an average website. What is often happening is that some pages in a site are more important than others. In my opinion those pages deserve more links because other pages may be out of date, have been superseded by better information and many other reasons.
As far as ehow, aren't those links nofollowed? Might want to read the link dev library [webmasterworld.com] and expand the kinds of links you are obtaining.
| 8:45 pm on May 3, 2010 (gmt 0)|
Unfortunately, I'm a bit confused by what you typed (will have to read it another time, maybe it'll give me something interesting to think about), but...I just realized I probably misunderstood YouDontKnowMe
Could you please explain what exactly you mean with that post? I thought you meant to say that Google ranks pages not domains..as in it only ranks pages on a page-by-page level (w/o taking into consideration how many links are pointing to other parts of that website/domain).
I assume I completely misunderstood you, right?
| 10:17 am on May 9, 2010 (gmt 0)|
how about footer link? any suggestion.