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Link development imitating the Wordpress ping effect
Any luck with this? is no secret, wordpress ping generates links
explorador




msg:4059527
 1:25 am on Jan 13, 2010 (gmt 0)

Everytime you publish something on wordpress the app "pings" directories and information services to let them know about the update. Then your post appears indexed after 5 minutes or 30 minutes the same day. You can customize your options and ping several services or just one. (this has been verifies and tested, is no mistery). Not only Wordpress does this, other

I have several websites using two custom CMS I built myself and I also manage 2 wordpress blogs. I'm working on implementing the ping feature on my CMS but no luck so far. It uses a special protocol (I'm still on this). You can aldo ping those services "by hand" entering your url and then hit send but it takes more time (not only entering the urls but the "effect"), yes you can also bookmark the page remembering your data.

Anyway I'm having serious doubts about this services, do they discriminate if you "are not a blog"? Have you managed to emulate this feature on your CMS?

BTW (MODS) please don't move this post, I'm not really concerned about the technology (developers) but on the effect of link building via ping.

 

aristotle




msg:4059821
 1:32 pm on Jan 13, 2010 (gmt 0)

I can't answer your specific question, but I'm wondering if these pings really create permanent links that could help improve rankings. Maybe it depends on what gets pinged, but I've done some manual pings that didn't appear to create any permanent links at all.

explorador




msg:4059938
 3:54 pm on Jan 13, 2010 (gmt 0)

but I've done some manual pings that didn't appear to create any permanent links at all.

Me too. I manage those 2 blogs and also created BETA blogs to test this feature. It works. Anyway manual pings don't work the same, I bet it depends on those services identifying "something" on the blogs. I already have my own RSS feed too and it makes no difference.

Discrimination makes sense as the major ping service is owned by the same people of wordpress. It makes sense they promote their own technology.

FranticFish




msg:4060229
 9:42 pm on Jan 13, 2010 (gmt 0)

I've been weighing up WordPress vs my own custom blogging software for a few sites and the 'Ping' factor is something that I'm concerned with too. With WP you can just add certain sites in your control panel and it's taken care of, but as far as I can see from my reading, all this does is submit XML to a Ping server - and that's something that anyone can do.

Or am I wrong? Are there sites you can't ping unless you use WordPress?

explorador




msg:4060340
 1:20 am on Jan 14, 2010 (gmt 0)

That's the debate. There are sites you can ping to without using wordpress (ej direct propietary form submit or your own ping) but it doesn't work. The effect of wordpress is faster. What's the difference?

FranticFish




msg:4060518
 9:49 am on Jan 14, 2010 (gmt 0)

I'm not a programmer so I don't know what a Ping contains, if there is a standard format you have to follow or if it varies according to the blog search engine or aggregator.

If there is a difference, and sites favour pings from WordPress, how do they do this?

1) because there is some sort of digital signature that tells them that the site in question uses the WordPress CMS?

2) because they favour certain urls or IPs so if you use WordPress on your own domain you don't have an advantage but if you use their hosted service (or another big blogging system) you do?

explorador




msg:4060628
 2:41 pm on Jan 14, 2010 (gmt 0)

FranticFish, I think of #1, still trying to figure out what makes the difference.

FranticFish




msg:4060748
 4:35 pm on Jan 14, 2010 (gmt 0)

Then set up WordPress to ping you and look at the code you get sent. If there is a digital signature, you could try adding that to your pings to other sites :)

explorador




msg:4060768
 4:52 pm on Jan 14, 2010 (gmt 0)

I tried, adding X url to the ping list and expect wordpress to send the ping, and capture the data via get, post, query string, etc. No luck, zero data captured, but ping sent to the other sites on the list.

[confused]

FranticFish




msg:4061042
 10:42 pm on Jan 14, 2010 (gmt 0)

Well I'll be looking into this myself with my programmer within the next week or two, I'll post back if and when I know something.

explorador




msg:4061141
 2:27 am on Jan 15, 2010 (gmt 0)

Thanks FranticFish, I read today that the ping is only a notification and THEN the bots come looking for the XML. I'm already creating some code to test it out. It will be nice to compare experiences.

explorador




msg:4061520
 5:40 pm on Jan 15, 2010 (gmt 0)

Interesting

  • I researched, found texts explaining ping is only a notification and then the bots come to read the site, RSS
  • I tried before with my own RSS, no luck
  • I tried doing manual pings to pingomatic via form, no luck
  • I created a new RSS via PHP, I tested and it validates on the diff services of RSS validation, it complies with the standards
  • I found, tested and improved a php script that pings whatever ping sites I feed to it
  • I modified my webpages to include the RSS address on it, now to the new rss
  • I created new content on a high traffic site of mine who gets indexed every 24-30 hours
  • I tested my new ping script
  • The script showed the answer of the ping server "everything ok, bla bla"
  • Nothing happened

The time to get indexed is the same as if I never sent the ping. Wordpress still beats the time by 5 mins on my other blogs (who never get updates). I'm still confused

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