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link from a high PR site vs high PR page
careerskk




msg:4052447
 3:05 am on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

Hi, just got a doubt regarding quality links.

Say if I get link from a high PR site (I mean home page has high PR), but not necessarily the page from which the link is coming from is of high PR. In this case will the link be of high quality still?

 

ken_b




msg:4052451
 3:20 am on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

will the link be of high quality still?

NO. It is the PR of the page the link is on that matters.

careerskk




msg:4052466
 4:39 am on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the reply.

I have several articles submitted to PR 6 sites but the article pages are themselves are of PR 2.
According to your reply, does this mean I get the value of PR 2 link :( rather than PR 6.
Also will working to increase PR of article pages help?

piatkow




msg:4052511
 9:33 am on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

PR is a property of the page not of the site, you inherit what the page has.

PR is only one factor, a low PR page can still come top in the SERPS if there is little competition for the major key phrases.

If all the links to a site go to the home page then the PR will dissipate as it filters down to the inner pages. If people link direct to the inner pages then that will boost their PR.

martinibuster




msg:4052515
 9:43 am on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

PR that shows on the toolbar should never be used to make a business decision.

careerskk




msg:4052617
 4:41 pm on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

Thanks for those replies.

With those replies I can infer few things:

a) With article submissions, blog comments, forum posts etc it is really not possible to get PR 4 and above links

b) If that is the case only two things may work to get high PR link
i) Requesting reciprocal links
ii) Exchanging links or Buying Links

Can someone correct if I am missing something.

piatkow




msg:4052682
 9:05 pm on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

Main thing you are missing - the object of the exercise is not PR it is getting people to the site to buy the product or click the ads. PR is just one factor. If the page does not contain the words that people will use to search then PR10 is useless. If it comes top for the key search terms then the PR doesn't matter.

martinibuster




msg:4052708
 10:08 pm on Jan 1, 2010 (gmt 0)

piatkow is correct. Focusing on PR is completely starting off on the wrong road. You will never accomplish your goals if you begin the process by making a fundamental mistake.

To repeat the most important thing for you to learn, do not depend on the toolbar to make business decisions. The best thing for you to do is go to Link Dev Library and read all the past threads about link building. You'll have a better understanding.

careerskk




msg:4052838
 7:53 am on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

Hi, I completely agree with you. One should focus on SERPs rather than PR.

But my scenario is, my site is only two months old and has achieved a page rank of 2 due to backlinks from article directories.

Also on page optimization is good which I double checked with some tools. However my page appears only at positions of 60 and above.

Hence with good on page seo, I thought only one thing which could be causing low SERPs is PR. Other cause might be site age.

Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks in advance.

martinibuster




msg:4052856
 9:39 am on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

Hi, I completely agree with you.

Great, I'm glad you agree that focusing on PageRank is a mistake. :)

my site is only two months old [b]and has achieved a page rank of 2[.b]

If you aren't focusing on PageRank, why do you use it as a metric for how well your article directory campaign is working? :( Your site is not ranking, the only metric to use is the SERPs. So what you should have posted is that your article directory campaign sucks because all you have achieved is "low SERPs."

I am trying to help you. I am saying this to help you be the best you can be. Ok? ;) Step away from your toolbar. Look at the SERPs. Your rankings are low. That is the metric that counts. The low rankings means the article directory campaign is not working.

I thought only one thing which could be causing low SERPs is PR...

Here is the root of the problem, you are focusing on PR and don't even realize it. Stop focusing on PR. Don't rely on tools. Understand it. You can't put flour and vegetables in a microwave and press a button and expect it to turn into a meal after thirty seconds. Similarly, you can't rely on tools. Walk away from tools. Learn the fundamentals.

Swordmaster Musashi understood that learning different disciplines would help his sword skills. So he learned carpentry, poetry, painting, and calligraphy. Go down to the street vendors and watch them making a taco. Go down to the street vendors and watch them creating a Shawarma. Go down to the street vendor and watch them making a Samosa. Find out the recipes. Find out the ingredients. Find out the nuances of the kind of grills to use, the kind of heat to apply, the smells to expect. Go home and practice making these things. Believe it or not this exercise will teach you something about promoting a website.

Step away from the toolbar. Google limits the SEO usefulness of the toolbar, backlink searches, inurl searches, intitle searches, WMT, etc. Google will never hand you the keys to their algo. It's pointless to rely on the green bar. Break the habit. ;)

piatkow




msg:4052876
 11:42 am on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

I got very fussed about PR when my site wasn't doing well in the early days but luckily then had some hints on the page structure which sorted the problem and pushed it into the top 3 on all key searches.

Having gone through a phase of being practicaly invisible in the SERPS I look for links primarily on the basis of finding good alternative sources of traffic. It might not work for you but it works for me.

My last SERPS problem on a new site was fixed by a very minor rewording of the home page content to slip in an additional keyword.

shamims




msg:4052988
 6:46 pm on Jan 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

Yup! I am sure, if anyone has quality content on his website he will be able to gain a high page rank withing very shorter. As within the same niche some will give him links....and this type of links are really valuable.

careerskk




msg:4053096
 2:46 am on Jan 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

Hi,
I am feeling really good to be part of this community where everyone comes forward and helps close to their heart. Especially for a newbie like me, the advices and replies I get keep checking me if I am doing anything wrong at the initial stages of my campaign. If my experience is going to teach me a lot in future, the leanings I get from this community is definitely giving me the power of knowledge by experienced webmasters.

Thanks again friends. And Martin, special thanks to you.

piatkow




msg:4053200
 11:18 am on Jan 3, 2010 (gmt 0)

My view is that the best link building is done by somebody who knows the subject matter in depth. That is the person who will find the good, relevant, links that will both help with PR and will bring traffic in their own right.

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