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How does my competition get search result on low backlinks
is back link most important factor
mick_simon




msg:3869091
 8:30 pm on Mar 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

Ok I am little confused, I am new to link building and seo , reading post and studding. link building is one of major factor in seo . So I am checking on My competition back link and I do not see any back link to that specific page the only back links are sub domain links . www.exampel.domain.com . how dose my competition get to top 10 result in a very competitive keyword.

 

Makaveli2007




msg:3869449
 7:45 am on Mar 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

Link authority flows through the whole site/domain. If they have thousands of links to other pages of their domain, those will help every other page of their website rank.

Link authority isn't computed for every page, but more like on a site-wide level.

nealrodriguez




msg:3873696
 8:52 pm on Mar 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

perform a link operator query on yahoo! - link:www.domain.com - and select entire site from the field to the right of the one labeled 'Show Inlinks'

the results will give you an idea as to how many pages link to the entire domain. to see what pages are linking to the domain from external sites choose 'Except from this domain' in the drop down menu right next to the 'Show Inlinks' label.

Dectomax




msg:3874113
 11:16 am on Mar 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

What about this one then?

Goto www.google.co.uk and search for <snip>

An almost empty site is in first place. Yahoo shows 19 in links. How the hell has that happened?

The genuine <snip> site comes lower in rankings?

[edited by: Dectomax at 11:17 am (utc) on Mar. 19, 2009]

[edited by: martinibuster at 6:11 pm (utc) on Mar. 19, 2009]
[edit reason] Removed specifics. Let's not out sites. Thanks. [/edit]

ponyboy96




msg:3874271
 2:22 pm on Mar 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have competitors that do the same thing and rank #1 across the board for it. From what I've gathered, Google counts sub-domains as separate sites. As was previously posted, the authority of the main site flows to these sub-domains.

Building up a network of sub-domains and then using those as your link network does work from what I've seen. I think the only downside to this is, at what point does G start discounting or penalizing this? Currently, it doesn't appear as though they do, but once that happens, you would be in trouble. To me, this technique falls under the darker side of gray.

nealrodriguez




msg:3874768
 12:30 am on Mar 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

Goto www.google.co.uk and search for <snip>

An almost empty site is in first place. Yahoo shows 19 in links. How the hell has that happened?

The genuine <snip> site comes lower in rankings?

a co.uk version of that cms site pops up; google may be more inclined to give it's uk users a site with a uk tld. if you perform the .com query, nonetheless, you get the cms site.

Makaveli2007




msg:3874971
 8:10 am on Mar 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have competitors that do the same thing and rank #1 across the board for it. From what I've gathered, Google counts sub-domains as separate sites. As was previously posted, the authority of the main site flows to these sub-domains.

Actually, I think once you've got some experience with SEO and the algorithms, you probably won't doubt for a second that Google is going to use that connection and let link authority flow throughout every sub-domain. They obviously do it with different pages on a website (the whole "trust" factor), so why wouldnt they do it simply, because somebody chose to use subdomains instead of multiple pages on that website. It doesn't make the content any more or less relevant, and Google can tell they all belong to the same person/domain in both cases.

Im often wondering if Google even does that for other sites such as (made up examples):

www iheartword1 com
www iheartword2 com
www iheartword3 com
...

when using the site explorer I often see such sites which belong to the same brand interlink heavily...and am wondering: Hm...are the backlinks for this particular site really relevant or does trust flow through the wohle brand network of sites?

Maybe they even do it with whois data and sites belonging to the same person?;))

ForeverYoung




msg:3875124
 2:05 pm on Mar 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

Okay, I have read the posts and I can see that there are a lot of questions.
Basically on what we could all agree, is that we do not know for sure what Google is doing. We can only guess. If the guess has solid bases, than it is a good guess.
All I can say, is that during link building many might want to gather lots of links - it's wrong. Less, but better quality links are always the best way. 1 strong link (and I will let you decide what strong means, as the nr. of factors to decide upon this are huge) can be more significant than 100 crappy links.
When I'm doing link building I rather go for quality than quantity. Also, Content is King... With only these 2 golden rules, I somehow manage to push up the sites to the top 15 in Google.
So to answer the original post: keep everything simple. Get good, quality links from related websites. This might include links from your competition also.

northweb




msg:3875186
 2:47 pm on Mar 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

Yes, watch out for over doing sub domains. I had a pr5 site with 30 large subdomains that were also pr5. Plus, many external links. site got penalized....never recovered. Believe over use of the subdomains may have caused the penalty.

Makaveli2007




msg:3875285
 4:18 pm on Mar 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

I agree with most of what youve said foreveryoung, but you're the first person I hear that mentions he gets sites into the "top 15" lol. I hope this doesn't mean you can't say top10, because you've never been on page 1 ;-).

(I'm only kidding of course!)

mick_simon




msg:3876981
 3:47 pm on Mar 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

foreveryoung

in regards quality links, how , when were and how do you find quailty links?

nealrodriguez




msg:3877069
 5:57 pm on Mar 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

in regards quality links, how , when were and how do you find quailty links?

i'll give you a quick tip; guest post on quality sites in your vertical. many allow guest posts with content that will attract their readers.

you will find a many techniques discussed in the link development library:

[webmasterworld.com...]

JS_Harris




msg:3877344
 1:38 am on Mar 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

Links from other websites to yours, in sufficient numbers, can overcome any on site problems you may have. Unfortunately most websites don't have that over-abundance of incoming links. Most websites stand to benefit from taking care of SEO basics, something not all sites do.

The most important SEO trait after proper title and description? Internal link structure.

Makaveli2007




msg:3877582
 1:21 pm on Mar 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

most important SEO trait...I agree with title and internal link structure (if we're talking on page), but are you sure about description?

Shaddows




msg:3879973
 9:39 am on Mar 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

Description is massively important. Not for ranking, but for CTR.

A good description might be worth a whole position on SERPs in terms of traffic, and its fully in your control.

Makaveli2007




msg:3880066
 1:20 pm on Mar 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

ok, i agree :)

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